Song - Much ado about nothing

[LGA Fleet Service]

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On 7/30/2003 9:16:53 AM RDUSWF wrote:


Your inlaws' experience, though I have my doubts about it, only ilustrates your ignorance about the industry.


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Yes, what *are* the odds of screaming children on a Palm Tree flight?

For what it's worth, (And you'll have to pardon my ignorance of the industry here) I've yet to be on a Palm Tree flight that *didn't* have screaming children on it.

 

[RDUSWF]

RJSTUD;
I do not know why you think I sound bitter. Just because someone points out a couple of facts, rather then misguided opinions, I am automaticaly "bitter"?

With all you ranting and raving about JB, You my friend are the one that sounds bitter. Maybe if your beloved DL (insert your major of preference) took care of their customers better, then JB and other LCCs would not be so successful and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[CAETravlr]

RDUSWF,

Are you elite with either of the FF programs that you metioned? They have blackout dates and very few FF seats set aside otherwise. I have never had a problem getting to Hawaii on Delta in the middle of May using those miles. I also am scheduled to fly in August to Bali, and stopver in Singapore on the way back using my FF miles on the Star Alliance, so it's not really impossible to use those if you are one of those lucrative frequent flyers. Now, if by FF on two airlines, you mean having membership in those two programs, I can see why it might be hard. I have 10,000 miles on AA, and have never flown them before in my life, and would be hard pressed to use those miles for anything.

I think the full service airlines have their place. I think the LCCs have their place also. I personally hope that Song does well, as well as the mainline carriers when the economy improves.

Regards,
CAETravlr

 

[RJStud]

Hey, RDUSWF, I actually turned down a JB interview about three years ago. Was it a mistake, who knows. Time will tell. The bottom line is that I live in ATL, my wife has a better job than I will ever have, and I'm not leaving ATL. I didn't feel like commuting to JFK or FLL to fly for JB(since we lost the off-line jumpseats after 911 this is a good thing). JB has a good product, but I feel that in the long run DAL will do well. I think that Song will do well.

 

[RJStud]

Hey, CAE, are you in Columbia, SC? If so, GOOOOOOOOOOOOO COCKS!

 

[RDUSWF]

CAE,
I am a gold medallion on Delta and a Platinum member of AAdvantage.

As far as FF programs, my point is they are not as good as advertised, and in the end if that is all they (the majors) have to offer over the LCCs then the LCCs will win.

Don't get me wrong, both Delta and American have been OK. I just don't understand why they don't simplify their pricing structure to mirror what most LCCs have done.

 

[RJStud]

I agree, the pricing is way too complicated. I'm glad that DAL in making a big investment in technology, which should make our operating costs lower, customer service better, and maybe help us compete with the LCCs.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

quote: JetBlue, Southwest, Airtran, Frontier are all profitible. None of the majors are, unless you add their govmt handouts.


You forgot America West, which is a major which turned a profit above and beyond the government cheese, 12.9 million last quarter....

All of the above are great airlines and HP is doing all the right things to become a profitable airline. Once Mr. Burns (Bill Franke) left the airline got exponentially better...

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Bong=Metrojet=Continental Lite

A big airline can't slap new paint on an old plane, pay people less and call it a new low fare airline.

I know, I know, "song is different"

yeah, sure

 

[mga707]

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On 8/5/2003 11:40:04 PM HPearlyretiree wrote:

quote: JetBlue, Southwest, Airtran, Frontier are all profitible. None of the majors are, unless you add their govmt handouts.


You forgot America West, which is a major which turned a profit above and beyond the government cheese, 12.9 million last quarter....

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Alaska also turned a 2Q profit even without the 'handout'.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

You still down in TUS MGA?

go to www.phoenixnewtimes.com, article about HP workers, I am the retired one in the article. Its a few weeks back, do a search

 

[mrman]

As a very frequent business traveler, one of the biggest advantages WN has over JetBlue and most of the HCC is frequency of flight. If you fly within TX,FL or CA you can bet at a minimum hourly flights on a nonRJ jet with overhead space. If you live in a non hub airport, KC for example, most likely you can get a nonstop or 1 stop direct flight with high frequency without having to go through a HCC hub. I would rather be on the ground for a quick 30 minute direct flight than a balanced hub 2 hour layover.

 

[RDUSWF]

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On 8/7/2003 10:46:17 AM mrman wrote:

As a very frequent business traveler, one of the biggest advantages WN has over JetBlue and most of the HCC is frequency of flight. If you fly within TX,FL or CA you can bet at a minimum hourly flights on a nonRJ jet with overhead space. If you live in a non hub airport, KC for example, most likely you can get a nonstop or 1 stop direct flight with high frequency without having to go through a HCC hub. I would rather be on the ground for a quick 30 minute direct flight than a balanced hub 2 hour layover.

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It is still a "cattle-car" ;-)

 

[Ch. 12]

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On 8/8/2003 941 AM JS wrote:


Sure, frequency is greater in a few markets, but consider these:

WN MCI-JAX a whole three times a day, two of which connect in BNA, and one connects in MDW plus another stop. Last call is 2:25 PM! Talk about a short business day.

On Delta, you could leave as early as 5:20 AM or as late as 7:10 PM. 6 flights from MCI to DFW, 6 to CVG, and 8 to ATL.


Or how about LIT? Also three times a day, all with a STL connection. Last call is 3:20 PM. Wow, an extra hour compared to JAX!

AA flies MCI to STL 8 times a day for a LIT connection, and 10 times daily to DFW. Last flight leaves MCI 7:40 PM.

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...which is also why WN is making money while AA/DL are not. Come on...how reasonable is it to fly a high frequency schedule to LIT or JAX or to fly early am or late evening low-demand time slots? The fact that WN doesn't provide high n/s frequency to these markets should tell you that there is a reason not to.

 

[JS]

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On 8/8/2003 9:57:00 AM Ch. 12 wrote:

...which is also why WN is making money while AA/DL are not. Come on...how reasonable is it to fly a high frequency schedule to LIT or JAX or to fly early am or late evening low-demand time slots? The fact that WN doesn't provide high n/s frequency to these markets should tell you that there is a reason not to.

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I agree that you don't need high frequency of non-stops. My point is that WN offers NO service at all after 3:00 PM.