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[WorldTraveler]

I'm not narcing on anyone. Given that this is a public forum, nobody has to narc on Kev or anyone else who willfully violates the company's media policy.

I am saying that this supposed DL employee who tells everyone else that they are in such a privileged position ought to have the brains to realize that posting internal company information - including analysis of the data he has seen on it - is not smart.

What value system do you embrace that says it is ok to willfully break the rules that have been set out? Tax fraud ok with you? Money laundering?

Should we let you draw the line wherever YOU want to draw it?

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

some people are their own worst enemies.

 

[LD3]

You could not have said that any better....

 

[Kev3188]

nobody is threatening anyone.

...Except for you, of course...
 

If a few DL employees are too stupid to know that it isn't smart to be posting comments about DL's performance based on internal goals, then far it be of from to provide a friendly word of warning.

Ah, now I see. I'm simply stupid, and need to be saved from myself. Thanks!
 

Some people can't miss an opportunity to provide a dig to their employer even if it risks their own employment - and then they have the nerve to argue about how unfair the company is.

Remind us again where I "dug" on your former employer. If continuous improvement and customer service are not the goals here, then I must've missed the memo.

 

You can't kvetch about the privileges of being a DL employee and then use the information you gain from their internal systems - which you acknowledged you had done - to make conclusions and then post them only by hiding behind "I can't tell you the data." What you SHOULDN'T have done is even made the statement about how well DL performed if you don't want to post the data.

Remind us again where I've "kvetched" about any sort of privileges. Wasn't me who talked of waltzing into break rooms and galleys...

...And what you shouldn't have done was again try to goad me into posting internal data, and then balked when I refused...

Sidebar: I think it's just great-and curious- that you & Josh occasionally use the same key words. Just sayin'...
 

The question about the performance of the ATL hub was answered - BY ME - with publicly available data

...And everyone else who weighed in. You just wanted to paint a good news story, and while there some good to be had-as I noted)- there's a lot that can-and should be learned. You can't control the weather, but you can control how it's reacted to. As I noted earlier, we have a lot of great systems/plans in place for these types of events. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure we executed as well as we could've. If you think that violates the posted media policy, then by means report me. It wouldn't be the first time...

 

But working within established structures never has been your forte, now has it, Kevin?

Not a fan of "go along to get along."
 

Your sidekick Q is a little short on reading comprehension if he thinks that the use of the word "we're" implies I am a DL employee.

Not in the context you used it in, he's not.
 
 

I'm not narcing on anyone. Given that this is a public forum, nobody has to narc on Kev or anyone else who willfully violates the company's media policy.

See above.
 

I am saying that this supposed DL employee who tells everyone else that they are in such a privileged position ought to have the brains to realize that posting internal company information - including analysis of the data he has seen on it - is not smart.

...Which is why I refused to do so, despite your attempts to get me to do just that...

What's that say about one's character, anyway?


 
 

You could not have said that any better....

+1

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kevin,

this is the world wide web. We are not having a conversation in a local pub or coffee shop.

alleging that I or anyone can "narc" on what is said here for all the world to see is a little far-fetched, don't uyou think?

No, I don't think you are stupid. I have said quite the opposite many times on these forums - where all the world can see it. Would you like me to unearth a few examples?

In response to your comment that you thought that DL didn't perform as well as it could have or should have based on the plans, I said that DL's A15 and completion ratio which are publicly available on an unaudited basis via flightstats showed they weren't running a normal operation but that they were managing to operate about half of the flights at some level of on-time. You responded that there are statistics that are not public that show that DL's performance is not as good.

(now feel free to modify the previous paragraph based on your understanding of what took place because that is the crux of this discussion).

I responded that if you are making a judgment call that DL's performance is not as good as it should or could be because there is non-public data showing otherwise, then you should not only not be sharing the data but not be making a judgment call about how DL performed.

If OTOH, you want to throw in your opinion from your perspective using public information that DL did not do well, then you certainly have the right to do so.

You are an adult and capable of making your own decisions. My comment was and still is that if I were you, and I clearly am not, I would not be making any assessment of how DL operates using any type of non-public information.

If you are comfortable with what you wrote, then simply say "thanks for the concern but I am comfortable with what I said" and then tell your friends that you aren't interested in accusing anyone of threatening or narcing on anyone - because that is not what I did.

As someone who has tried very hard to show that you are an ACTIVE DL employee, then you of all people should know the division between what is and is not allowed to be shared publicly.

DL most definitely is interested in improving its operation and I said that they could benefit from the perspective of some northern hub employees. But DL also has internal procedures for working thru their continuous improvement processes.

I still contend that DL's operation in ATL ran heads and tales better than other airlines' in other cities during similar bad weather events over the past few months - and all the more so given how badly crippled the region around the airport was.

I absolutely agree that DL employees went above and beyond to get to work and to work with the resources they had, which while perhaps not what DL's northern stations had, was enough to keep the operation moving. I witnessed the city of ATL from the disastrous traffic situation and then DL's operation first hand from the window seat of a DL jet that actually did take off in the midst of the mess. I was there. I know about what I speak.

that is why not only is my perspective my own personal account but I also used high level publicly available data.

I am sorry this thread degenerated into what it did. I hope the same spirit of continuous improvement can be applied to figuring out how to have engaging, respectful discussions both ways.

There have been way too many things said about people on here that should not be happening... and I feel that I have been targeted just as much as I have targeted others - and neither is right nor am I justifying what I do based on the actions of others.

If you are comfortable saying what you did, then you can simply say that you are and all of us can move on.

 

[Kev3188]

No, I don't think you are stupid.

...And yet, you posted it anyway.

I have no problem defending what I've said.
 
Nothing regarding corporate security is "far fetched."
 
What you may have missed is that I based my opinion(s) on what I not only experienced first hand, but also based on decisions that were made internally. I know what systems are in place for these types of events, and am pretty sure you can access them too. What you also glossed over was the part where I noted a lot of what we were looking at was the SAME data; you were getting it from publicly available sources, and I was not. 
 
So yeah, how'd DL do in ATL? Not bad, but we can-and should- do strive to do better next time. I'm sure there are post-mortems going on across every division to ensure that occurs.
 
And as noted, I don't think continuous improvement is a bad thing, and I'm not about to apologize for saying so.
 
Unless something's changed overnight, your former employer feels the same way...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and here you missed the first two letters of my post.
 

If a few DL employees are too stupid to know that it isn't smart to be posting comments about DL's performance based on internal goals, then far be it from me (corrected) to provide a friendly word of warning.

IF I said you were stupid, who else forms the other part of FEW?

You are not stupid, Kev. Au contraire.

I too am certain that there are deep dives and round table shoot me outs to do better next time as well.

And I still say that ATL could have used some northern hub employee help during the event. Shared knowledged is good knowledge.

Hope it is warm where you are today. supposed to be well above freezing in ATL today.

 

[WorldTraveler]

here is the way that the experienced drivers in Wisconsin do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXejFMxDoE8

 

[Kev3188]

Is Atlanta in Wisconsin?

Is Wisconsin in the southeast?

Does DL use state highways in the upper midwest?


BTW, here's this:

How did Delta fare in ATL?

 

[WorldTraveler]

you made the comment somewhere that a couple of inches of snow is well within the norms of what most northern cities can handle. You also mentioned MSP and their freezing fog and snow. Not sure what any of those have to do with ATL but you threw them in somewhere over the last few days.

Perhaps you can produce a little graphic that tells us where the thresholds are for bad winter weather in various parts of the country.

And it still doesn't change that the majority of people ("us" because I am putting myself in the category) say the problem is that the state totally failed to do its job to keep the road clear and safe.

Presumably the state of WI knows how to do it better than the state of GA but it didn't stop a few maniacs in the WI video from driving well beyond the sane limit, something a few ATL drivers did but the vast majority of people in ATL were quite careful based on my personal participation in the situation.

And DL and ATL as the airport much closer to industry norms for bad weather with appropriate equipment and procedures. For this reason, I say DL fared much better than what one would expect given the disaster that was N. GA.

 

[yoyodyne]

you made the comment somewhere that a couple of inches of snow is well within the norms of what most northern cities can handle. You also mentioned MSP and their freezing fog and snow. Not sure what any of those have to do with ATL but you threw them in somewhere over the last few days.

Perhaps you can produce a little graphic that tells us where the thresholds are for bad winter weather in various parts of the country.

And it still doesn't change that the majority of people ("us" because I am putting myself in the category) say the problem is that the state totally failed to do its job to keep the road clear and safe.

Presumably the state of WI knows how to do it better than the state of GA but it didn't stop a few maniacs in the WI video from driving well beyond the sane limit, something a few ATL drivers did but the vast majority of people in ATL were quite careful based on my personal participation in the situation.

And DL and ATL as the airport much closer to industry norms for bad weather with appropriate equipment and procedures. For this reason, I say DL fared much better than what one would expect given the disaster that was N. GA.

 

[700UW]

 

[topDawg]

You are free to post what you want, Kev. but if you can't find public proof to make a public charge that the wheels are falling off the operation, then you probably should not be using your proprietary position inside of DL's operation to be making assessments of how well DL is or is not doing.

.........wow.........

 

[700UW]

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