State proposes work requirement for food stamps

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Right now the only requirement is "hold out hand".

 

[SparrowHawk]

Right now the only requirement is "hold out hand".

 
 
Which General Motors has done very well.
 
The day I see their CEO in the park picking up litter in order to keep the bailout money We The People gave them is the very same day that Tamika and her 4 or 5 children are in the park picking up litter for their food stamps.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Which General Motors has done very well.
 
The day I see their CEO in the park picking up litter in order to keep the bailout money We The People gave them is the very same day that Tamika and her 4 or 5 children are in the park picking up litter for their food stamps.

The liberals did not seem to mind the bailout money at the time, seeing how GM was a UNION shop. They sold the bailout as saving American UNION jobs.
 
So ask yourself who really got bailed out. I think you may come to the conclusion it was actually the UAW employees. The execs would have gotten their "golden parachutes" either way.
 
 
I noticed the senior people did not mind throwing the new hires under the bus with a compensation of about half pay. I am sure they will tell the juniority they are "paying their dues". 
 
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/06/auto-bailout-or-uaw-bailout-taxpayer-losses-came-from-subsidizing-union-compensation
 
 
 
You should also consider if that 10 billion dollars that the taxpayers lost was worth keeping the American automotive industry viable. 
 
Have you considered how much GM has enriched the economy over the years? 
 
Considering the amount of money the government receives from GM in payroll taxes alone how long do you think it actually takes the government to see the tax investment pay off? I mean unemployed people don't pay taxes do they? What about all the other taxes GM's cars put in the government's treasury after they leave the factory.
 
 
 
As for myself, I never actually stated I supported a GM bailout, I only said that they offered something of value to society. They offer goods and jobs, what does the proverbial "Tamika" offer besides a drain on the taxpayer with little to no hope of ever seeing a return on investment?

 

[Dog Wonder]

what does the proverbial "Tamika" offer?

Now Tamika is proverbial, was she in Proverbs? How about her kids? Either you know her and the kids well, or made them up. Either way you lied.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 or made them up. 

Go tell SparrowHawk. He is the one that brought "Tamika" to the forums.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

A welfare "lifers" worst nightmare.

They avoid these at all (taxpayer) costs.

 

[Dog Wonder]

If I was not paying for Tamika and her 4 kids. If Tamika made a choice to have 4 kids. They will tell you that Tamika has a right to make that personal choice.  
 
Tamika has a right to have 4 kids.
 
as far as I am concerned I borrowed my own money and I am paying it back with interest, for Tamika's benefit.
 
I rather SOME of the dollars I paid for go to me than go to Tamika that is for damn sure.

 
 

Tamika would not have 4 kids if Tamika was not getting a big fat handout for them. Tamika has 4 kids because she lives irresponsibly and everyone else cleans up Tamika's mess. If Tamika had to deal with Tamika's consequences maybe Tamika would not be such a stupid ass.

You are the one complaining about paying proverbial {maybe} child support.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Tamika and her 4 or 5 children are in the park picking up litter for their food stamps.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

A welfare "lifers" idea of a career. 
 

 

[Dog Wonder]

Quit moping and pay that child support. It takes more than a woman to make a baby,

 

[delldude]

Right now the only requirement is "hold out hand".

 
Heard Obama continually hums the tune 'I want to hold your hand' when golfing.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

 
Heard Obama continually hums the tune 'I want to hold your hand' when golfing.

 
Brings new meaning to term "gimme" huh.  :mf_boff:

 

[SparrowHawk]

The liberals did not seem to mind the bailout money at the time, seeing how GM was a UNION shop. They sold the bailout as saving American UNION jobs.
 
So ask yourself who really got bailed out. I think you may come to the conclusion it was actually the UAW employees. The execs would have gotten their "golden parachutes" either way.
 
 
I noticed the senior people did not mind throwing the new hires under the bus with a compensation of about half pay. I am sure they will tell the juniority they are "paying their dues". 
 
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/06/auto-bailout-or-uaw-bailout-taxpayer-losses-came-from-subsidizing-union-compensation
 
 
 
You should also consider if that 10 billion dollars that the taxpayers lost was worth keeping the American automotive industry viable. 
 
Have you considered how much GM has enriched the economy over the years? 
 
Considering the amount of money the government receives from GM in payroll taxes alone how long do you think it actually takes the government to see the tax investment pay off? I mean unemployed people don't pay taxes do they? What about all the other taxes GM's cars put in the government's treasury after they leave the factory.
 
 
 
As for myself, I never actually stated I supported a GM bailout, I only said that they offered something of value to society. They offer goods and jobs, what does the proverbial "Tamika" offer besides a drain on the taxpayer with little to no hope of ever seeing a return on investment?

 
 
GM or any private enterprise has no right to expect the government to step in and pay for that enterprises mistakes. That's Socialism, pure and as simple as you taking a government handout for your training. Capitalism involves risk, winners and losers. General Motors LOST. Despite the bailout they continue to lose.
 
What I find interesting is the excuses offered. Like "We saved jobs" "We saved an industry" We hear the non stop Animal Farm style bleating from the Neo-Cons about Socialism yet they vote for socialism at every turn. Farm Bill, Oil Depletion allowance and on it goes. Then we hear the whining and hand wringing over the "Loss of morality". How people have no ethics or principles. You hear the phrase "Situational Ethics" being thrown around day and night.
 
Yet in the end those very people who call themselves Capitalists when it comes time to steal YOUR Pension or lower your SS payout have no problem going hat in hand before Congress begging to be bailed out. To big to fail? Really? Seems Iceland chose to bail out their citizens and put the bankers in jail and as a result their little economy is grew 3.3% in 2013 as compared to an anemic 1.9% here in the US. It's a telling number. What it says I'm not sure about

 

[SparrowHawk]

Go tell SparrowHawk. He is the one that brought "Tamika" to the forums.

 
The correct word would be "Stereotypical". A small point of order I know.
 
What does Tamika bring to the table? She is a human being and a child of God. She is no better or worse then any of us as we are all sinners and fall short. Until she passes her final chapter is not written. Right now she is a person who has made some seemingly bad judgement. However suppose that one fo her young sons is a brilliant young man and grows up to be the next Dr. Ben Carson? Or what if her oldest daughter is the first female NBA player? What then of Tamika's value? Maybe us giving her food stamps and housing allowed her the time to correct the errors in her life and go on to raise spectacular children?
 
Do I think it is the place of government to reach out to the Tamika's of the world? NO, I do not. I think about what I have paid in taxes to date and how much more good I could do if I spent that money with some charities and it makes me angry.
 
Suppose our "help" allows Tamika to use her parenting skills and start a small day care and eventually escapes the clutches of government assistance? What then?
 
People are so quick to judge. Funny thing is most of them never had to stand in line at a food bank so they could eat until they got their paycheck. When you have as I have then you gain a new perspective. When you decide that the last forty dollars you have that $30 needs to go to gas and only $10 to food which means three packs of pasta and 2 jars of sauce one meal a day your perspective changes. 
 
I never accepted any of the stuff I was qualified for. WHY? Because I could see it was like crack cocaine with little of the downside. The government has been very successful at creating a permanent underclass that must vote the status quo in order to eat.