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Sorry folks,....not sure why this address wont work.
You need to copy the URL from the address bar, not from the body of the message where it has been abbreviated. (The complete URL, however, is embedded in the hot link, which is why it works over there.)
 
I agree. And what about the intra-Alaskan system? Thats a highly specialized operation that does not fit into AA's business model.
 
I agree. And what about the intra-Alaskan system? Thats a highly specialized operation that does not fit into AA's business model.

Maybe... Maybe not. Alaska has a corner on the market which is heavily subsidized by the state of Alaska and is highly profitable for AS. AA could keep it. I still think AA would like to have another whack at the west coast this time taking over an airline with extensive customer loyality, a large FF base, and two large hubs at great facilities.

This could give AA the critical mass to become viable up and down the western seaboard. AS has a large FF customer base in LA and in the San Francisco Bay Area. One would figure if they are loyal to Alaska and if American keeps the flight schedule intact they would remain loyal to American. Furthermore, it would put AA's foot in the door with a lot of west coast corporate accounts (since you basically have to fly AS or UA to the Northwest) and would help them improve draw to their ex-LAX/SFO service (FF's trying to keep all their business on one airline). As an addition I'm sure there are some fat government contracts on the SAN-SEA runs (large naval bases in both cities).
 
Oh great. Then we can St. Louis-ize SEA and make everyone departing there change planes in DFW or ORD. :lol:
 
Alaska's route structure might be profitable at their cost levels, but if you were to superimpose AA's cost structure over it,it falls apart.As noted above, adding more domestic capacity isn't a worthwhile endeavor.
 
Alaska's route structure might be profitable at their cost levels, but if you were to superimpose AA's cost structure over it,it falls apart.As noted above, adding more domestic capacity isn't a worthwhile endeavor.

Exactly. Over at Flyertalk, the kiddies who've been suspended from airliners.net are pushing the idea that AA needs to buy AS and then begin a huge Asian hub operation at SEA.

AS offers none of what makes NW/DL and UA/CO attractive.

Besides, AA and AS already codeshare on plenty of routes in the pacific northwest. No need to buy them to keep that relationship.
 
I still think AA would like to have another whack at the west coast this time taking over an airline with extensive customer loyality, a large FF base, and two large hubs at great facilities.

Until you remove the AS name and replace it with AA and you can kiss the loyalty goodbye. They are loyal to AS for a reason, and it's reasons that AA doesn't and can't match. They are two distinct airlines with two totally separate ways of doing business. They most likely should remain that way.
 
Wings, you're right about the branding, but there's nothing that says you can't have both names out there. It's more or less what NWA's done with Midwest...

PlaneBuzz is reporting that if UA/CO do the nasty that both names would stick around for a couple of years, and that sort of makes sense in a wierd way.

AA and AS could have common ownership by yet another holding company, yet still be in compliance with their scope clauses. They'd just need to reconcile the seniority list integration.

Look at retailing.... in 2005 Federated Stores changed the names of several brands they owned (Marshall Field, L S Ayers, Robinsons-May, Hecht's, Burdines, Lazarus) to Macy's... Fields was seen as upscale. So was Lazarus, and some of the other names. Macy's? That was seen a step above Target in the midwest.... People revolted and took their business elsewhere. Same store sales for former Fields locations were down 7-10% in the following year. Macy's spent a lot of time and effort trying to win back those customers, and finally gave up trying about a year later. Some of the locations wound up being closed within the last two years.

Now, go back to 1990... Dayton-Hudson (since renamed Target...) bought Marshall Field, yet was smart enough to keep the name the same for the 15 years they owned it... The brand grew stronger over time. They eventually sold it off to May in 2004, who wound up being bought by Federated in 2005...


So... if AA does the nasty with AS, I hope they're smart enough to keep the Eskimo smiling.
 
Wings, you're right about the branding, but there's nothing that says you can't have both names out there. It's more or less what NWA's done with Midwest...

PlaneBuzz is reporting that if UA/CO do the nasty that both names would stick around for a couple of years, and that sort of makes sense in a wierd way.

AA and AS could have common ownership by yet another holding company, yet still be in compliance with their scope clauses. They'd just need to reconcile the seniority list integration.

Look at retailing.... in 2005 Federated Stores changed the names of several brands they owned (Marshall Field, L S Ayers, Robinsons-May, Hecht's, Burdines, Lazarus) to Macy's... Fields was seen as upscale. So was Lazarus, and some of the other names. Macy's? That was seen a step above Target in the midwest.... People revolted and took their business elsewhere. Same store sales for former Fields locations were down 7-10% in the following year. Macy's spent a lot of time and effort trying to win back those customers, and finally gave up trying about a year later. Some of the locations wound up being closed within the last two years.

Now, go back to 1990... Dayton-Hudson (since renamed Target...) bought Marshall Field, yet was smart enough to keep the name the same for the 15 years they owned it... The brand grew stronger over time. They eventually sold it off to May in 2004, who wound up being bought by Federated in 2005...


So... if AA does the nasty with AS, I hope they're smart enough to keep the Eskimo smiling.

Keep the "Eskimo" Smiling? I always thought it was this guy - he was always smiling.

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Eoleson, since you had made a comment about Macy's Department Stores, if you're ever in Philly, go to the Macy's store and check this out - it's played almost daily - yes, I know it's off topic, but ... Look up Wannamaker Organ on Wikipedia for details.

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462 ranks (approx 66 pipes per rank) 170 hp in electric motors powering the wind chests. One helluva organ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGZV9Oeb9Gk...feature=related
 

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