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SWA to Lease MORE GATES in PHL

Ringmaruf,
In case you didn't know. Frontier only has 2x319 to Denver. Their gate is shared with US, USA3000, AF, and AA. AA uses it as an extra spot to park RON a/c when needed.

F9's presence is hardly killing US.

I know full well what F9 flies at PHL, and I didn't say that their presence is killing US. What I do say is that putting carriers like USA3000 and Air Jamaica, and *especially* Frontier (with ONLY domestic flights), in the brand new A-West is a waste, when US doesn't have enough gates there for itself during the international pushes. Other airports wouldn't be doing that to their largest tenant.
 
Putting some EMB 170's on some SWA routes won't bother SWA too much be it Love field or anywhere else. SWA has the wherewithall to win a price war and a war of attrition that USAirways can not afford to sustain. Reminds me of the MetroJet days in BWI. SWA will slap any attemts at that like it was a mosquito.

When SWA's fuel hedges run out -- which is actually a long ways away in totality - they will still have slightly lower costs than the other airlines while paying their employees more. They are Piedmont on steroids, except no one can afford to buy them and screw them up.
 
Putting some EMB 170's on some SWA routes won't bother SWA too much be it Love field or anywhere else. SWA has the wherewithall to win a price war and a war of attrition that USAirways can not afford to sustain. Reminds me of the MetroJet days in BWI. SWA will slap any attemts at that like it was a mosquito.

When SWA's fuel hedges run out -- which is actually a long ways away in totality - they will still have slightly lower costs than the other airlines while paying their employees more. They are Piedmont on steroids, except no one can afford to buy them and screw them up.
What We Need to FOCUS on IS THE FUTURE AND THE INDUSTRY IS CHANGING & IF WE STAY WITH THE OLD IAM WAY'S OF NUMEROUS MEMBER'S WE WILL BE LEFT IN THE DARK. SWA HAS PROVEN TO THE WORLD THAT OUT SOURCEING WORK'S. AND THEY SHAME US OLD FART'S. SORRY IAM INCLUDED BECAUSE I RESEMBLE THAT LAST REMARK.They SWA have Challenged the AIRLINE INDUSTRY WORLD WIDE WILL WE BE OVERLY PROUD AMERICAN'S and FALL or WILL WE SUBMIT TO THE CHANGE? MWW
 
i wonder how long it will be before they start hurting financially and the fuel hedge starts hurting?

Don't let's all hold our collective breath waiting for SW fuel hedges to run out.

They are hedge to differing degrees for several more YEARS. As I recall, their hedges are running on a sliding scale with the last in 2009 where they are hedged about 50% at $36/barrel.

Waiting them out won't work. If management doesn't get proactive and RIGHT NOW, SW will continue to eat our lunch. Everyone seems to be whining that "Oh, the merger is only 6 weeks old. Give Doug a chance."

In my mind, Doug needed a plan right out of the starting gate, and we are already six weeks behind.
 
Southwest is adding capacity where they sense vulnerability!

Doug Parker and his team have not proven themselves yet, and most likely it'll end up a rough few months (2006+).

The way I understand America West operated against Southwest was to back off. America West would just fly a few frequencies between city-pair A-B, while Southwest would have double or triple that amount in the same city-pair.

Still beleive that US Airways can, actually should, be very successful with oil prices heading down, slowly but surely 🙂

SoftLanding
 
What the article failed to mention is that the reason for the gate shuffle is that they are building a hammerhead onto the end of Temrinal E that will result in 3 additional gates. However during the construction, the majority of SW's current gates in E will be out of commission.

All of the current DL gates in E are configured to handle 757's and larger widebody aircraft. D2 and D4 cannot handle them, and I believe D1 and D3 we reconfigured a few years back and can only handle 757 and smaller now. UA previously parked DC-8, 767 and DC-10's there. As a result, DL has to move to A East during this reconstruction as 757 and 767 aircraft do appear in the schedule from time to time. DL also ground handles AF in PHL, and the daily flight to Paris arrives in A but departs from E. DL also operates a Crown Room club in PHL, and I believe there is currently space available in A-East where the original Envoy lounge was located on the lower level.

I would expect Delta to move back to E when the hammerhead is completed. If anyone is to move permanently, I would expect NW to move to D to be with CO and for SW to get their current gates E2,4,6. If this were to happen, NW/CO would have D2,4,6,8,10. SW could have all of the even E gates, plus D1 & 3.
 
WN has the greatest marketing department in the industry! They advertise all over the country even in some places they haven't started flying to. Low fares, Low fares if you see something enough you beleive it. Now I'm not saying they don't have low fares of course they do but in a lot of markets where they are competing with U, U is sometimes cheaper but to Joe sixpack who wants to fly his kids to disneyworld and after seeing the "Ding" adds all sunday afternoon while he's laying on the couch watching football he says honey call southwest I just seen a $49 fare to disneyworld! WN's plan was and is to appeal to the guy who was going to go greyhound and it works. U's plan use to be ripoff the business man for a high price fare and it worked sort of. If the new U is truly going to compete as a LCC they are going to have 1. Have low fares not necessarily the lowest 2. Get the word out about being the biggest LCC, we fly to the most places you actually want to go, 3. the services we provide you want a F/C seat for a little more we got it, Priority boarding we got that to, a place to do a little business while your'e waiting for your flight we got those to. The bottom line is we need to market our product to the WN customer and also let them know and show them we offer a better product for close to the same fare. Hello anybody in charge in marketing!
 
This is nothing new to the Parker team. America West and Southwest have battled it out in Phoenix since 1984 and they eventually learned to co-exist. However, in todays industry, it's cut throat and Southwest clearly has some advantages, mainly cost and high publicity and positive media reporting. US has to be better than that...and thats something that the employees have control over. America West never spent much money on advertising..it'ts very expensive..LCC...it's too bad that US can't grab some airtime during highly visible events. People complain about the money spent for US Airways Center, but this is advertising ...the America West way...for the duration of the game so all in all, its money well spent. With Philly being such a congested airport with delays, I hate that more flights are being added by them, only to further complicate the hub and spoke system for US.
 
Found this on another LCC board .... it was posted by a LUV employee... 😀 😀 😀


- LUV's fuel hedges go through 2009.

- You can't compete with RJ's against LUV.

- U is not AWA, and that is what LUV is competing against in PHL.

- PHL will be the next BWI - it use to belong to U now it belongs to LUV.

BTW - you sound like a retard when you continue to mention the W-2's when people have constantly shown you (with facts) that your statement is incorrect. Only a compelte idiot or paid shill would continue to post an incorrect statement after its been proven wrong.

LUV will bring it on baby, and LCC will run like a scared animal.

One last point to all you pumper and bullshit artists - I TOLD YOU SO! LOL! Go back and read my earlier posts I predicted the integration costs would come back to haunt LCC and now LCC Management confirms it.

LOL! I was right! LOL! See I am not a basher just a very astute person.

Have a nice day sweating out Southwest kids!

Well at least you'll have Charlotte!
 
Putting some EMB 170's on some SWA routes won't bother SWA too much be it Love field or anywhere else. SWA has the wherewithall to win a price war and a war of attrition that USAirways can not afford to sustain. Reminds me of the MetroJet days in BWI. SWA will slap any attemts at that like it was a mosquito.

When SWA's fuel hedges run out -- which is actually a long ways away in totality - they will still have slightly lower costs than the other airlines while paying their employees more. They are Piedmont on steroids, except no one can afford to buy them and screw them up.
take over Tinicum Twp. put he heat on...take over the swamp and you will have another term and runway...can't wait for a buy out...
 
First USAir, back in 1991, vacates 55% Market share in California and hands it to WN. Then, the Battle for Baltimore a few years later. We know how that went.

Then MHT, PVD, PHL, and ultimately PIT. Anyone see a pattern here?

Not to mention ISP, BUF, ALB, etc. What's the pattern? A high-cost, high-fare airline that was simply unwilling or unable to restructure its business to be competitive. Dave Siegel's original restructuring plan was to just shrink capacity to bring up fares -- that's why so many RJ's were ordered. But this isn't a workable plan in an industry where true LCC's use rationalized fares to stimulate traffic enough to fill mainline jets.

Southwest went into PHL because the post-bankruptcy I US Airways was still the same as before -- and that presented a huge market opportunity. Why PHL instead of ATL, MSP, EWR, CVG, MEM, etc.? Because PHL was one of the largest U.S. markets without significant low-fare competition (ATL has AirTran) and US was still one of the highest-cost majors.

I just hope the New USAirways under the "leadership" of Doug Parker can finally hold off WN for a change. When a WN Captain makes almost $50 more per hour for flying a similar aircraft, when all other crafts at WN earn more, it's just another huge slap in the face that we can't compete. Especially after all the employees of U/East sacrificed to get to this merger.

So, you're saying that you will feel vindicated if your lower salaries will help "hold off" a more efficient competitor which feels that it's important to compensate its employees fairly? Is it Southwest management's fault that they have tried to reduce costs as much as possible without going after their employees' paychecks (or laying off people)?

How about going on the offensive for a change? Send a few EMB-170's to Love Field to let 'em know we are still in the game. Or how about getting back in the intra-California mix. WN has no non-stop competition from SAN to RNO or SMF. Let's take the battle to them for once.

I don't think Southwest has much to worry about if you throw EMB-170's at their markets. JetBlue has acknowledged that their EMB-190's would have CASM's significantly above their A320's, and the EMB-170 has higher CASM than the 190 (since it is smaller). Southwest can underprice your costs on the EMB-170 and still make a profit.

The reason Southwest doesn't have non-stop competition on routes like SAN-RNO or SAN-SMF is simply because they don't abuse their monopoly position. PHL-CLT is comparable in length to SAN-SMF (actually, it's a bit shorter). Southwest's average SAN-SMF fare is roughly 70% lower than US's average PHL-CLT fare. Southwest's rationalized pricing policy gives you little room to make inroads by undercutting them. And they will run out of cash well after US would bleed itself into liquidation.

We can't stop this Big Orange Gorilla. Their vaunted fuel hedges won't last forever.

You fail to understand that it's not just about the fuel hedges. They have one of the lowest non-fuel unit costs in the industry, have a huge pile of cash, own most of their fleet free and clear of mortgages, and have a healthy corporate culture. Going forward, US Airways needs to rationalize its pricing and continue to streamline its product (remove non-value-added costs) in order to make itself a less attractive target to WN. When you're charging $500 each way (walkup) to go from PHL to BUF, that makes you an attractive target.

One accurate statement made by Just Call Me Dave Siegel was "Southwest is coming to Philly to kill us." We were on our knees then but we got up to fight another day. Got some money and some moxie now. Let's Roll.

Southwest went into Philly because US Airways was still being managed poorly in any number of ways! Why do you think Southwest got such a warm reception from the Philadelphia community? Do you think people like paying high fares for service that is often mediocre? Why do you think your customers started chanting "Southwest" in the baggage claim at PHL when faced with yet another hour-plus delay in receiving their bags?

Southwest is often not the lowest-priced option on a particular route. Their customers understand, however, that they can generally rely on Southwest to offer a reasonable fare -- even on very short notice. Southwest's product is also reliable -- you know what you're getting, and their employees are typically nice to the customers.
 

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