TA reached for TWU dispatchers and Ops specialists at AA

[Bogey]

They were/are TWU. And your ass is half TWU.

But Ina way, I hope you are right. We have a me too on insurance.

 

[1AA]

Insurance was important to the PMUS dispatchers, but it would appear at an 85 passing rate, they found something more important.

That more important issue is signing cards and bailing out of the dysfunctional catch all industrial unions aka The Association.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

I can tell you for a fact, the IAM side wont agree to higher cost insurance with less coverage.
Tom Regan is a wizard at finding insurance, he did for us in the first chapter 11, he found better and cheaper coverage than what US was offering.
 
Insurance is very important to the PMUS/IAM side.
 
And no it hasnt been that way at PMUS for 35 years, you seem to forget, its not just the TWU anymore.

 
Since we're tossing "Facts" about, I can pretty much tell you the TWU side won't agree to anything to do with the IAMNPF and losing 401K match.
 
Speaking of things you seem to forget, it's not just the IAM anymore.

 

[700UW]

Did I state anything about the pension?

Why bring a red herring into the discussion?
 
So you want about the 15,000 PMUS employees to lose another pension?
 
The best thing that can happen is to offer the members a choice.
 
Guess you forgot the TWU signed an MOU in regard to the pension?

 

[Worldport]

Did I state anything about the pension?
Why bring a red herring into the discussion?
 
So you want about the 15,000 PMUS employees to lose another pension?
 
The best thing that can happen is to offer the members a choice.
 
Guess you forgot the TWU signed an MOU in regard to the pension?

I don't think passenger service decided on medical yet, its one of those wait and see things(Pretty important wait and see if you ask me) so maybe if we do get better insurance through negotiations  they will go  that plan, but more than likely will go with the inferior AA. 700 in the past the pilots had a different plan so what they are saying about industrial unions might have some truth to it

 

[Rogallo]

Did I state anything about the pension?
Why bring a red herring into the discussion?
 
So you want about the 15,000 PMUS employees to lose another pension?
 
The best thing that can happen is to offer the members a choice.
 
Guess you forgot the TWU signed an MOU in regard to the pension?

 
Yeah, like the choice we were given on this association abortion.
 
Take your logic and go away!

 

[1AA]

Did I state anything about the pension?

Why bring a red herring into the discussion?
 
So you want about the 15,000 PMUS employees to lose another pension?
 
The best thing that can happen is to offer the members a choice.
 
Guess you forgot the TWU signed an MOU in regard to the pension?

Nobody has to lose their pensions. The IAMPF rules can accommodate the IAM guys and allow the continuation even if they are no longer represented by the IAM. But that would be all too easy and the IAM would have no part of that simple change since the IAM would lose millions of dollars in union dues if the IAM conceded like the other unions on the prooerty. The unions are only concerned about their financial issues and could care less about the memberships priorities unless it affects the bottom dollar flowing into the international treasuries of both unions.

 

[700UW]

Tangent

 

[Traymark]

My reply was to worldport when he indicated insurance would go the same way for him. I believe as does worldport, being that we are in this industrial union together, we are all going to end up with the same insurance. If the dispatchers were able to get LUS insurance, everyone in the TWU would end up with LUS insurance.
Industrial union. No true ability for individual work groups to bargain for medical, 401k and most likely holidays and sick. You will get what everyone else does. Been that way for well over 35 years.

Here's one person that hopes the "you will get what everyone else does" also applies to the longevity pay that was in the dispatchers contract.

I've been trying to figure out how the NC committee will couch it to us for not having the same language In our contract.

 

[Bob Owens]

I am not sure what the negotiators asked for, I just know that when the TWU/IAM merge first took place, the dispatchers along with sim techs got a letter saying they were not and did not have to participate in the IAMPF.

Lucky for you. 

 

[Bob Owens]

I believe all deals have to be five years due to the .POR.

Five years from when? 

 

[Bob Owens]

So you don't agree with the first part then? Alright let's say for whatever reason after AA posting over 7 Billion and change they wanted to knock us down by 50% in pay, do away with our benefits, and outsource 50% of our work? (Putting you out in the street BTW)

Would you consider that a justifiable reason to strike?

Again there are good reasons to strike sometimes.

Sounds like what happened at NWA with AMFA.  

 

[Bob Owens]

Around 72 after 10 and 77 after 20. That's base/lic/longevity.

We don't work 2080 hours a year. Most dispatch groups are somewhere in the 1800-1900 hours.

A question, Math comes out to a 45% increase, earlier you said the top out was currently $42.
As for the Longevity, if the number is Delta plus 3 that would include the longevity correct? For AMTs MLS and Fleet better to have it in the base so it gets compounded with the raises. What happens with premiums is they are fixed, so when you think you are getting a 3% raise the fact is you are really getting less than that since the premiums are not adjusted by that 3%.  

 

[Bob Owens]

maybe because there only 400 of em?

How many Pilots are there? They make nearly double what Dispatchers make. Don't buy into that lie about there only being a few of them, One thing dispatchers have going for them is their job can not be outsourced. 

 

[MetalMover]

So you're looking at $67.00 an hour after 20 years?

 
 

Around 72 after 10 and 77 after 20. That's base/lic/longevity.

We don't work 2080 hours a year. Most dispatch groups are somewhere in the 1800-1900 hours.

 
 

How many Pilots are there? They make nearly double what Dispatchers make. Don't buy into that lie about there only being a few of them, One thing dispatchers have going for them is their job can not be outsourced. 

 
 
Ok, the dispatchers are looking at $72 an hour after 10 and $77 after 20.    Thats about $146k for a 20 year dispatcher.....I doubt Md80, A321 and 737 pilots are making double that. 
Pilots are treated wAAy better than the rest of the workers. I don't buy into ANY lie about the numbers. There is NO way in hell we will ever see a salary in the 70's/hr in our working lives. 
This just shows the disdain for the mechanic.