Thanks Doug: US Outsourcing 7 cities

[Kev3188]

We are all best off when each individual acts in their own best interest and is forthright about that. We all do that anyway but most are claiming to help others which is just BS. If everyone took care of themselves and didn't expect the Gov't, Union or Company to take care of them we as a Country would have almost no problems. The idea of collectivism or village is the problem because it is a lie design to trap people into a lot in life while the few (ruiling class and big corporations) benefit at the expense of the middle class and small business. Look no further than Europe as to what Unions and Liberals want for America. A ruiling class and a few wealthy people, with everyone else stuck in jobs for life with no upward mobility. America can and should do much better.

Wrong.

This idea of "it's all about me" is *precisely* why this country is in a flat spin. In fact, some of this nation's highest points have come precisely when we collectively realize that.

Like it or not, we're ALL in this together.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Wrong.

This idea of "it's all about me" is *precisely* why this country is in a flat spin. In fact, some of this nation's highest points have come precisely when we collectively realize that.

Like it or not, we're ALL in this together.

while absolutely true, there was a day when Americans could all work together because everyone could benefit. Now w/ the economy worse than ever, it becomes every man (or woman) for themselves an an economic bid for survival - or getting mine at the expense of everyone else.
No organization can succeed if everyone can't figure out how to work together for everyone's benefit; organizations in decline are far more susceptible to individuals acting in their own best interest at the expense of others than are healthy, growing organizations where it is far easier for everyone to benefit. Even if some get more in a growing organization, few if any get nothing or lose.

UP is right that no one is willing to be honest about their intentions.. at least if you are out to get yours at the expense of everyone else, no one will be surprised at your actions if your words have already advised of it.

 

[ContUNITEus]

Let's see. I'm probably one of the highest in seniority that is getting furloughed (guessing, haven't actually been to work since the announcement). I'm enrolled in school, am underwater in my condo (that probably won't sell anyway), have family and friends here. So I can give up on family and friends, drop out of school, and be stuck paying for a mortgage on a place I'm not living in while paying for another place in another city. Maybe if I was, I dunno, a pilot making $100K a year I could afford it and it would be worth the transfer, but not at $40K. I'd seriously consider commuting to PHX, except it's impossible to get on flights and I can't jumpseat. But you're right, we all have jobs available to us technically.

I feel you...

REMEMBER WHAT I SAID BEFORE: "US Airways will always be the leader for the negative."

 

[wings396]

Being that my station was outsourced in 2005, I can sympathize with those involved in this latest round of cuts. To this day I still have trouble understanding the companies rationale with the outsourcing of the smaller stations. I can say first hand that the productivity of the employees in those stations are far above those in the Hubs. We pretty much did everything except repairs on the A/C. Loading, catering, cleaning, deicing, etc. Given the small percentage of the workforce we made up, I find it hard to believe that the cost savings are significant enough to save the company. There is a lot more waste in other areas that would make a bigger difference to their bottom line. I guess that is easier to single out the minority of the workforce without the rest of the stations even taking note to what is taking place.

 

[Claxon]

I'm just talking about facts, logic and reason. So, my response is have you ever heard of a company outsourcing to more expensive labor costs than what they could otherwise pay their own employees to do? You can wish and be philosophical all you like, but the result is the same - businesses will find a way to reduce costs and earn more profit regardless of what organized labor does. If labor gets the upper hand companies are often forced into chapter 11 or chapter 7 bankruptcy court. So the invisible hand leads to a point of equilibrium either by negotiations or by court protections. The final result of paying above market rates is lower wages, fewer jobs or both. It's just the reality of the world economic systems and especially in a competitive commodity market like airlines operate in.

Labor needs to get the upper hand, because management cannot deliver. This is an airline I have observed for years. The CEO s have cherry picked the employees endlessly. CEO one after another, stuffing as much into their pockets as they can, and none have delivered on their salaries. The board of directors of USAirways and now Franke Air are the most inept, complicit buffoons ever. They never raise a peep about what goes on here. It is time for ALL employees other than management to take a day or two off in unison, and force the board to get rid of these criminals. The workers here are deserving of much, much better. In fact your airline runs ONLY because of you, and in spite of Doug Parker and Co. If your upper management took a years vacation, the airline would run itself, and then improve as the workers finally had input. All it would take is Gordon Bethune, and this airline would be the best in the industry. Your workers are seasoned, and talented. They have endured and deserve more than they get.
Does this tell you why they pursue their employees rather than business? They focus on harassing employees first......



"It’s also important to understand that a toxic culture cannot exist if toxic people are not allowed to take up residence. This is why a value based approach to recruiting is a key component when teaming-out the organization, and is especially important as you build a senior leadership group. Those team members who share the same core values will be predisposed to trusting one another at high levels. Those team members who share a commonality of core values will automatically assume “best intentions” in one another vs. assuming “worst intentions” or “motives/agendas.”


Toxic work environments can only exist where a lack of trust and respect are present, and this can only occur in the absence of sound leadership. Let me be as clear as I can – the phrase ”toxic work environment” is code for bad leadership, because a toxic culture simply cannot co-exist in the presence of great leadership. Does Herb Kelleher come to mind???
Mark Myatt on toxic leadership

 

[Pi brat]

Wow Pi, bad day?

Nope, GREAT DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Found out some good info. You?

 

[Claxon]

I'd go find another job or move or retire. The last thing I'd do is whine and complian about my lot in life.

BTW, It's just business not personal.

Here is why Franke Air is one of the most hated corporations in America. They say the same to customers, instead of helping them too. Both employees and customers are treated poorly by Franke Air. If its' employees were respected, the respect would cascade to those who pay the salaries of the hard working line employees. But management is poor, and the toxic environment persists. Toxic management tolerates managers like UPANAWAY and CallawayGolf. They need them to remain toxic.

#6 US Airways

Image: www.flickr.com
Satisfaction rating: 61/100
Common complaints include low-ratings for cabin-crew service, baggage fees and baggage handling, a lack of entertainment options and poor communication regarding delays. The company is currently censured by the Department of Transportation for its lack of communication with travelers.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-hated-companies-america-2011-6#6-us-airways-14#ixzz1WqPGY4cx

 

[Dog Wonder]

So long as there is an availability of labor wiling to do the work below the price you are offering in wages, then you would be paying a premium on wages. When you put an ad to fill jobs and no one qualified shows up, then you are below market on wages. As long as wages are at a premium versus the market, outsourcing will always act as an incentive to management and as a risk to unions and labor.

And the moral voice of US Airways management pushes for a race to the bottom in wages.

Your sense of morality matches your grasp of history.

 

[luvthe9]

Wow, Box cutters found on a plane enroute to PHX, can you guess what the PHX gsc's response was on arrival, "we find them all the time" just have to love how the west tries to run an airline, oh yea and please don't tell the TSA.

 

[CallawayGolf]

And the moral voice of US Airways management pushes for a race to the bottom in wages.

Your sense of morality matches your grasp of history.

If you actually read and comprehend posts, then you wouldn't post in ignorance.

1) God defines morality, not me
2) I'm not in US Airways management
3) The Bill of Rights is comprised of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. I gave you the dates and history of their incorporation in the original document that was approved by the Constitutional Convention two years earlier. Yet, you prefer igornance over the truth. Your choice.
4) I'm all for premium wages and paying the best people to do the job of making a sustainable profit. I just pointed out the reality that certain segments of society refuse to grasp. Unions quest to raise wages above market prices eventually results in lost jobs. US Airways didn't invent outsourcing and it would be a failure of Management's fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders in a publicly traded company not to consider ways to reduce costs and make a higher profit (or mitigate losses), especially in an economy like we have thanks to federal government incompetence.

 

[luvthe9]

Toxic work environments can only exist where a lack of trust and respect are present, and this can only occur in the absence of sound leadership. Let me be as clear as I can – the phrase ”toxic work environment” is code for bad leadership, because a toxic culture simply cannot co-exist in the presence of great leadership. Does Herb Kelleher come to mind???
Mark Myatt on toxic leadership

You are so right Claxon, if you only knew the half of how this place was run. I think this lack of mangement team will bankrupt this airline soon. You see all the layoffs but our top brass still gives themselves up to a 200% bonus are senoir flt managers are getting over 600,000 a year, talk about greed, I wonder why our management team does not give up thieir bonus and save some jobs. Thanks to America West we are the embarrassment of the industry.

 

[Claxon]

If you actually read and comprehend posts, then you wouldn't post in ignorance.

1) God defines morality, not me
2) I'm not in US Airways management
3) The Bill of Rights is comprised of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. I gave you the dates and history of their incorporation in the original document that was approved by the Constitutional Convention two years earlier. Yet, you prefer igornance over the truth. Your choice.
4) I'm all for premium wages and paying the best people to do the job of making a sustainable profit. I just pointed out the reality that certain segments of society refuse to grasp. Unions quest to raise wages above market prices eventually results in lost jobs. US Airways didn't invent outsourcing and it would be a failure of Management's fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders in a publicly traded company not to consider ways to reduce costs and make a higher profit (or mitigate losses), especially in an economy like we have thanks to federal government incompetence.

Today's Daily Ticker guest Bob Lutz has nearly 50 years of experience in the auto industry. Most of that career was spent with Ford and General Motors, from which he retired in 2010 as the vice chairman. Known as an outspoken, straight-shooting executive, Lutz is also an unabashed car lover.
Now in retirement, Lutz is still as vocal as ever about cars and the auto industry. In his new book, Car Guys versus Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business, Lutz documents what he believes was the greatest factor in the demise of the U.S. auto industry.
No, it's not the unions (although that contributed). No, it's not uncompetitive wages compared to Asian manufacturers.
His answer: "Management incompetence."
Over the course of his career, "management became way too scientific, B-school oriented; way too cost-focused; and it was almost considered childish to be to be enthusiastic about automobiles," Lutz explains to Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.
Lutz says auto executives worried too much about hitting the numbers and not enough about creating a product consumers wanted to buy. "That is a fundamentally flawed approach," he blames on American business schools. The "over-fascination" and "over-focus on the numerical side of the business" is endemic in U.S. business and has resulted in public cynicism," Lutz says. "The American public is sick of Wall Street, the American public is sick of American business, is sick of job outsourcing, is sick of the loss of our industrial base." (See: Bring It Home! "No Excuse" Not to Manufacture in U.S., Bob Lutz Says)

 

[CallawayGolf]

Today's Daily Ticker guest Bob Lutz has nearly 50 years of experience in the auto industry. Most of that career was spent with Ford and General Motors, from which he retired in 2010 as the vice chairman. Known as an outspoken, straight-shooting executive, Lutz is also an unabashed car lover.
Now in retirement, Lutz is still as vocal as ever about cars and the auto industry. In his new book, Car Guys versus Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business, Lutz documents what he believes was the greatest factor in the demise of the U.S. auto industry.
No, it's not the unions (although that contributed). No, it's not uncompetitive wages compared to Asian manufacturers.
His answer: "Management incompetence."
Over the course of his career, "management became way too scientific, B-school oriented; way too cost-focused; and it was almost considered childish to be to be enthusiastic about automobiles," Lutz explains to Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.
Lutz says auto executives worried too much about hitting the numbers and not enough about creating a product consumers wanted to buy. "That is a fundamentally flawed approach," he blames on American business schools. The "over-fascination" and "over-focus on the numerical side of the business" is endemic in U.S. business and has resulted in public cynicism," Lutz says. "The American public is sick of Wall Street, the American public is sick of American business, is sick of job outsourcing, is sick of the loss of our industrial base." (See: Bring It Home! "No Excuse" Not to Manufacture in U.S., Bob Lutz Says)

America should bring jobs back to our own people and on our own soil. Eliminate onerous government regulations, reduce punitive tax systems, and give businesses the right to set their own wage policies without the government or organized labor artificially changing the market forces of supply and demand and those jobs will come back. Failure to correct these issues will continue to weaken our nearly insolvent nation.

 

[Dog Wonder]

If you actually read and comprehend posts, then you wouldn't post in ignorance.

1) God defines morality, not me
2) I'm not in US Airways management
3) The Bill of Rights is comprised of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. I gave you the dates and history of their incorporation in the original document that was approved by the Constitutional Convention two years earlier. Yet, you prefer igornance over the truth. Your choice.
4) I'm all for premium wages and paying the best people to do the job of making a sustainable profit. I just pointed out the reality that certain segments of society refuse to grasp. Unions quest to raise wages above market prices eventually results in lost jobs. US Airways didn't invent outsourcing and it would be a failure of Management's fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders in a publicly traded company not to consider ways to reduce costs and make a higher profit (or mitigate losses), especially in an economy like we have thanks to federal government incompetence.

You always rise to the bait.

And never admit you that fake fly wasn't a juicy bug..

 

[SS255]

while absolutely true, there was a day when Americans could all work together because everyone could benefit. Now w/ the economy worse than ever, it becomes every man (or woman) for themselves an an economic bid for survival - or getting mine at the expense of everyone else.
No organization can succeed if everyone can't figure out how to work together for everyone's benefit; organizations in decline are far more susceptible to individuals acting in their own best interest at the expense of others than are healthy, growing organizations where it is far easier for everyone to benefit. Even if some get more in a growing organization, few if any get nothing or lose.

UP is right that no one is willing to be honest about their intentions.. at least if you are out to get yours at the expense of everyone else, no one will be surprised at your actions if your words have already advised of it.

I blame a lot of this on the fact that corporations have shown no loyalty to their employees, whereas they expect (even demand) loyalty in return. Why should employees work collaboratively when nobody is to be trusted? I personally do not buy into this philosophy, but I see it going on all around me where I work. Passive aggressive behavior among the work force is bleeding corporate America dry in the form of lost productivity.