Thb And Ward Debate

[MCI transplant]

L1011Ret----- Do you think JW is taking the postion he is because he may be more than a little concerned about the conceqences of the TWA law suit, and it's posible impact on the Union,and it's membership? <_<

 

[jimntx]

L1011Ret----- Do you think JW is taking the postion he is because he may be more than a little concerned about the conceqences of the TWA law suit, and it's posible impact on the Union,and it's membership? <_<

I can answer that one. No, he does not even consider the possibility that the former TWA people might prevail in court. He just knew that he needed a bugaboo to scare people into voting for him--god knows his record as president wouldn't inspire many votes--and the TWA people got picked for that role.

The TWA flight attendants are JW's Weapons of Mass Destruction.

 

[L1011Ret]

MCI you give Ward to much credit, lol. I think Jimntx is closer. Ward is using fear and anxiety to get re-elected. He has no plan for the future to heal the wounds, has split his membership and APFA leaders into warring parties, has not demonstrated leadership in crises, and whines that he has had no opportunity to be APFA President. Ward's scary platform is about the same as Bush saying you better re-elect me or the terrorists will be back. I am not in love with APFA for what they did to my wife. But I am convinced that APFA could be a decent union if they had accountable, responsible and less hateful leadership. I belonged to ALPA and worked for them in a union position for many years. We had good and bad leadership and some terrible fights. But not in my 28 years did I ever see so much hate as expressed by some APFA people. Even their campaign site bordered on the criminal and was investigated by AA. Some people considered filing hate crimes charges. I wish they had. If you look at the other candidates who were running before the election was reduced to two, not any of these candidates professed the kind of hate and fear generated by the Ward campaign and website. Jim above states, the TWA f/as are Wards WMD's. A rather sorry state of affairs.

 

[MCI transplant]

L1011Ret------ From my viewpoint (TWU), there is a differance! But, not that much! I'm still asking myself, how the hell we got ourselfs into this mess??? And yes, I know the whole sad tale!!!!! 😉

 

[MCI transplant]

I can answer that one. No, he does not even consider the possibility that the former TWA people might prevail in court. He just knew that he needed a bugaboo to scare people into voting for him--god knows his record as president wouldn't inspire many votes--and the TWA people got picked for that role.

The TWA flight attendants are JW's Weapons of Mass Destruction.

<_< jimntx-----"Mase destruction", or "Mase desperation"??????

 

[MiAAmi]

I dont understand what there is to support in jw. He is a fool, he has proved his incompetence over and over again. I understand a good percentage of our membership buries it head in the sand. This guy didn't plan ahead, we all knew cuts would come to us at some point. Why were we so unprepared? He has done zero to improve our situation either pre or post 911. How can anyone look at this proven loser and say this is our hope for the future of our union? Unbelievable!

I don' think anyone thinks that John will solve all our issues, but in my opinion he's better than Tommie. She wants to be everyones "mentor". I was not impressed with the debate by either one. I still think that John is our best bet. Tommie does not have any stated plans for the future. She only blames John for our concessions but has no real plans for down the road. Her history with our past contracts and the support she gave for the concessionary contract shows how hypocritical she is. As far as the TW seniority scare that eveyone keeps throwing around, from most f/a's I talk with our next contract is the real issue. Getting back what we lost is top priority to most.

 

[FA Mikey]

Since you are pinning your career and future on jw, he didn't even do anything on the last contract. Denise did the ground work and Laura Gladding did the rework. jw was ready to let us go to a PEB thinking that was better than actual negotiations. That's not leadership, that's a farce. Tommie offers change, I have seen and my pay check and CBA show jw's greatest accomplishments. jw doesn't want to go work the line, he would actually have to take the same pay cut he screwed us in to. He is still at the old pay scale, how is that for a lead by example. What's next him in his powder wig saying "let them eat cake"?

 

[MiAAmi]

Well be fair Mikey, What is Tommie's plan for our future? If you ask me she doesn't have one. She's riding on everyones anger about the concessions not what she has in store for us. Besides I don't want a woman with that Big of Hair representing me.

 

[FA Mikey]

I don't want a woman with that Big of Hair representing me.

I see you have a really good reason for voting for jw. What was it I said earlier about flakey flight attendants and there collective heads in the sand.

For me its less about someones hair style and more about the future of my union, my career and CBA. I guess some of us have different prioritys in voting for president.

 

[FA Mikey]

Well be fair Mikey, What is Tommie's plan for our future?

Well here is the first 100 days, or three and a half months.... What has jw laid out?

Our Ten-Point Plan for
The First One Hundred Days in Office

1. Engage the membership. Survey the membership on priorities
regarding the most urgent issues facing our workforce today.

2. Our Contract. Begin research immediately on the membership’s
priority issues and lay the groundwork for discussions with the company
for possible immediate resolution and also for openers in future
negotiations.

3. Financial Accountability. Evaluation of the APFA treasury and its
disclosure published for membership to view. A review of current
membership dues structure with recommendations to the BOD to best
balance the needs of the union and membership.

4. Legal Issues. Evaluate all current litigation involving APFA with a
report to the Board of Directors and membership prepared by neutral
labor counsel. The Board shall evaluate the financial impact and need for
retaining a permanent general counsel for APFA.

5. APFA Leadership Summit. Invite all current and former APFA
officers and current National Officer Candidates to take part in a
brainstorming session to discuss important issues that face labor, the
airline industry, flight attendants and most importantly, APFA members.
The purpose of this meeting will be to develop plans on how to best
reach our goals in the current economic and governmental environment.

6. Communications. Create a department that addresses both
internal and external communication issues that benefit our union.
Utilize the media and publicity to focus on our issues and gain awareness
in our struggles. Expand on government contacts and maintain a constant
presence on the Hill. Streamline internal APFA communications by
communicating facts to the membership expeditiously.

7. Labor Outreach. Develop important dialogue with AA’s labor
unions and other flight attendant unions. Develop relationships to work
together on a much broader scale during all contract negotiations and
also with the media and government on flight attendant issues.

8. The Balloting Process. Research different methods of balloting
available. The Board of Directors shall set proper guidelines to adhere to
in the event of crisis or emergency situations. The Democratic process
must always prevail.

9. Training. The Board of Directors shall resume annual training
with a session on Roberts Rules to ensure more efficient use of time
during board meetings. Training to be held by coordinators for their
support staff who answer flight attendant questions. Our membership
should always receive up-to-the-minute and accurate information when
they call APFA.

10. Mergers and Acquisitions. Re-convene the Merger and
Acquisition committee to research and make recommendations on
language to include in our future collective bargaining agreement for
seniority protections for our membership should AA become acquired
by another airline in the future.

 

[skivoodoo]

A labor union's strength lies in it's ability to unite a membership to stand firm for a common goal. Our careers have been dismantled and we will have to claw our way back for every scrap of our next contract. We are a sitting target to AA with Ward at the helm.

The first step in rebuilding our careers rests in the ability of a leader to lead and unite the membership. If Ward is re-elected neither of these things will happen. He stated himself that he can't lead during crisis'. And we know he can't unite this fractured membership. In fact, he stokes the fire of our fractured membership in order to keep his power. We should not be fighting each other, we should be united to fight for our rights as f/a's. Voting for Ward is simply bad business for our career.

Tommie Hutto-Blake, however, can lead and can unite the membership. Her vision and experience will enable an inclusive union. By working together through Tommie Hutto-Blake, the entire AA f/a workforce can regain our strongest assest, A UNITED VOICE, that will be speaking at the next negotiating table.

Ski

 

[MiAAmi]

Sorry Mikey... I should have placed a LOL after that. Just kidding about the hair.

 

[FA Mikey]

I see you have a really good reason for voting for jw. What was it I said earlier about flakey flight attendants and there collective heads in the sand.

For me its less about someones hair style and more about the future of my union, my career and CBA. I guess some of us have different prioritys in voting for president.

Sorry Mikey... I should have placed a LOL after that. Just kidding about the hair.

oh well thats OK.... I have knowen you here for a while, should have knowen better myself.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Our Ten-Point Plan for
The First One Hundred Days in Office

10. Mergers and Acquisitions. Re-convene the Merger and
Acquisition committee to research and make recommendations on
language to include in our future collective bargaining agreement for
seniority protections for our membership should AA become acquired
by another airline in the future.

I assume that will call for Date of Hire for all AA FA's in spite of the possibility of being "acquired" instead of "merged."

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

MK

 

[MiAAmi]

No ...I think the original seniority integration stated that all ex-tw'er will always be on the bottom of the seniority list no matter what. LOL