The Big Day

[UAL_TECH]

JMHO, if we ‘all’ followed the words of Jesus and the teachings of the New Testament, then the world would be in a ‘much’ better place than it is today. It is sad that people will look at this biased parody from wiseass.org and take it in account as truth and that is the reflection of all Christians.

However, being a wiseass myself, I took no offence and found it humorous in its ignorance, silliness (which we all need), and stupidity.

Try doing this same parody with MoHead and see how many Mosques are burnt to the ground. 😛

B) UT

 

[KCFlyer]

However, being a wiseass myself, I took no offence and found it humorous in its ignorance, silliness (which we all need), and stupidity.

So you gonna rot in hell with delldude and me?

 

[Garfield1966]

JMHO, if we ‘all’ followed the words of Jesus and the teachings of the New Testament, then the world would be in a ‘much’ better place than it is today. It is sad that people will look at this biased parody from wiseass.org and take it in account as truth and that is the reflection of all Christians.

However, being a wiseass myself, I took no offence and found it humorous in its ignorance, silliness (which we all need), and stupidity.

Try doing this same parody with MoHead and see how many Mosques are burnt to the ground. 😛

B) UT

Um, why does it have to be jesus and the new testament. Why can’t we just live by the golden rule? I have no faith. I just treat others as I wish to be treated. I help where I am able. Is that not what life is all about?

I realize it may not have been your intent (I surely hope not) but your post implied that all the other religions of the world should give up their beliefs in favor of christianity. It implies that you (christians) are right and that all other religions are wrong.

 

[Leto2]

Um, why does it have to be jesus and the new testament. Why can’t we just live by the golden rule? I have no faith. I just treat others as I wish to be treated. I help where I am able. Is that not what life is all about?

I realize it may not have been your intent (I surely hope not) but your post implied that all the other religions of the world should give up their beliefs in favor of christianity. It implies that you (christians) are right and that all other religions are wrong.

Well, there certainly can't be more than one "right" religion. I don't believe that most religions are necessarily bad, it just goes against basic logic that all can be right.

IE: Most religions believe that God is perfect and that He is perfectly honest. If one religion (or sect) says that we need to believe in Christ to be saved, and another says we don't, then their beliefs contradict each other. God can't contradict Himself, therefore, only one of these religions is "right" in God's eyes.
The same can be said about faith vs. works + faith, Mohammed vs. Jesus, baptism by immersion vs. other forms of baptism, etc. etc.

So unless you disagree with my premise, that God cannot contradict Himself (can't lie), then I think this logic is pretty sound. (And Garfield, it sounds like you may disagree with that, but most people don't--I'm not trying to criticize you, you can believe what you want.)

I've heard Christians say that there are "many paths" to the same God. This isn't in line with Matthew 7:14, "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

I don't believe that people from other religions are not good people, I just believe that they need to seek out and find the true religion in order to be saved.

I also believe that God understands our situations. Someone that lives their whole life in the middle of Africa may never hear of Christ, but God knows that and He'll give them a chance after this life to accept the truth. They still must live the best they can, kind of like what Garfield said.

 

[Garfield1966]

Very good argument.

I guess I would ask why one has to right verses wrong. In other words, it seems to me that most religions have some sort of faith in a supreme being. A creator if you will. The Greeks and Romans thought there were many, most current religions seem to narrow it down to one. Could it not be argued that most who believe in a creator(s) all believe in the same thing but just have a different name? A rose by any other name is still a rose right?

Perhaps I am hedging my bets in terms of keeping my options open. While I do not know if there is or is not a creator, I still lead my life in the best manner that I know how. Not with any goal in mind (although I guess it could not hurt) but I am banking on the belief that if there is a god (what ever name it goes by) that ones actions in life will carry far more weight than what religious symbol one chose to pray to during life. IF god is indeed all knowing and benevolent, it will be able to look into my heart and see what is there. I sleep easy at night know that.

Going back to your original argument. There can be more than one path IMO. 1+1=2. 4-2=2 as well. Perhaps it is not the path that one takes that is important, but arriving at your destination.

I do like your argument though. I’ll have to keep it in mind. Local 12 and 700 would do well to follow your example in presenting their ideas.

 

[MrAeroMan]

We are just putting the bibles back where they belong, in the churches and in your home.

No, you demolibs want to restrict it there too. Your liberal fringe won't rest until they get to book burning.

The class war fare is a rep issue. Even a member of the Fed came out and stated that the disparity between the rich and poor is of great concern and needs to be addressed.

A member of the Fed came out and stated that huh? I'd love to read that link.
The class warfare is a demolib issue and is the war they fight everyday. Just like Jesse and Al like to keep the racial pot stewing you demolibs like to remind people how worthless they are and how they can't take care of themselves so let's start a government program to help them out or better yet let's just give them cash. Blah blah friggen blah. You'll never see the light no matter how close the flashlight gets to your beady eyes.

Decimating human life for science? I assume you are speaking of Stem Cell research. The life you are speaking of are frozen embryos that can either be used to help man kind or be thrown away like trash. Those who have diseases or know someone who has a disease that has the potential to be cured by the research are very much for it. You might be familiar with 2 of them, Nancy Reagan and Michael Fox. Then of course there are the millions of other who might benefit from it. I do hope for your sake, you do not end up as one of those people. It is always easy to condemn when it does not affect you.

There's a little analogy about the word assume. Let's just say you got the first part of that down pat. For the record that's not what I was talking about and if I have to explain it to you then it's not worth typing. I knew you wouldn't understand it and I'll be damned if I wasn't right. Thanks!!

Free give aways? I assume we are not speaking about the free give aways to he rich and but the give aways to the more needy segment of society.

Free give aways to the rich? You still can't get it through your head the rich in this country pay the most in taxes and you still want more. I guess Ch12 isn't the only lame brain in that gene pool you're swimming in.

As for the needy segment of society Republicans like me want to take care of the truly needy. It's the whining, lazy, good for nothing free loaders we want to throw off the dole. Those are the same people the demolibs are tying to clone.

 

[delldude]

Um, why does it have to be jesus and the new testament. Why can’t we just live by the golden rule? I have no faith. I just treat others as I wish to be treated. I help where I am able. Is that not what life is all about?

I realize it may not have been your intent (I surely hope not) but your post implied that all the other religions of the world should give up their beliefs in favor of christianity. It implies that you (christians) are right and that all other religions are wrong.

Do you realize if you substitute the word ISLAM in what I have hi-lighted...you unwittingly stumbled upon the whole ISLAMIC AGENDA? 😱

 

[Garfield1966]

No, you demolibs want to restrict it there too. Your liberal fringe won't rest until they get to book burning.

Give me a reference which proves your point.

There's a little analogy about the word assume. Let's just say you got the first part of that down pat. For the record that's not what I was talking about and if I have to explain it to you then it's not worth typing. I knew you wouldn't understand it and I'll be damned if I wasn't right. Thanks!!

My crystal ball must be a bit off. If you chose not to share your argument and expect me to guess that’s your choice. I honestly don’t care.

Free give aways to the rich? You still can't get it through your head the rich in this country pay the most in taxes and you still want more. I guess Ch12 isn't the only lame brain in that gene pool you're swimming in.

It is obvious that the rich pay more in actual dollars. Everyone knows that someone making $2 million a year pays more taxes on someone who makes $30K a year. The issue is percentage. I paid 6% on 55% of my income and Cheney paid 6% on only 6% of his income. When the rich pay taxes on the same percentage of their income that I do, then they will be paying their fair share.


Hurling insults while fun, do nothing to increase the validity of your argument.

Do you realize if you substitute the word ISLAM in what I have hi-lighted...you unwittingly stumbled upon the whole ISLAMIC AGENDA? 😱

I may be wrong but my understanding is that it is the job of all ‘good’ christians to spread the gospel to us non-believers so that we may all go to heaven. As Leto said, if only one can be right, then by necessity the rest must be wrong. The difference I see is that according to your interpretation of Islam, they are killing us all now, in christianity, all non believers are all condemned to hell after we die. Eternity in hell seems a lot worse from a believers perspective than death.

 

[delldude]

The difference I see is that according to your interpretation of Islam, they are killing us all now, in christianity, all non believers are all condemned to hell after we die. Eternity in hell seems a lot worse from a believers perspective than death.

No...the clincher is either its Islam or Death....no in between.

Islam or Infidel.....

Infidels die under Islam.

Your interpretation is off the mark. 😉

"Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the Israeli Likud party said, trying to disparage his enemies: 'The celebrated goal of Islamic Fundamentalism is to secure the worldwide victory of Islam by defeating the non-Muslim and infidels through Jihaad...'. Thank you very much, Mr. Netanyahu, for a very accurate description. "
--Muhammad 'Abdus Salam Faraj, Jihad: The Absent Obligation

 

[Garfield1966]

How is that so differenr than believe in christianity or face eternal damnation?

 

[delldude]

How is that so differenr than believe in christianity or face eternal damnation?

Well in laymans terms...when Islam comes to your door you have two choices.....accept or die...its very very simple.Damnation will be very quick in this life and not in the hereafter.... 😉

When Jesus comes knocking...you can accept or deny and live happily everafter.Christianity doesn't demand your life if you don't feel like accepting His way.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

A member of the Fed came out and stated that huh? I'd love to read that link.

Although On Econ issues I tend to disagree with Garfield more than I agree, he is right about the fed coming out and stating that class/income equality should be addressed.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/06/news/econo....reut/index.htm

 

[KCFlyer]

No, you demolibs want to restrict it there too. Your liberal fringe won't rest until they get to book burning.

If anyone wants to burn books, it's the republicons here in Kansas...banning books such as "The Lords of Discipline" from school libraries because it's a book about military school and sometimes they use the "F word".

Have you ever read "Conscience of a Conservative" by
Barry Goldwater? If you did, you might see that what the "demolibs" are fighting for are core conservative values..."Real" conservatives believed in less government - especially in your personal life...look at them today...let's pass laws about banning gay 'marriage'...let's strive to overturn Roe v Wade and make abortions illegal...let's put bibles in every school....let's not teach evolution. Seems like they've really moved away from less government control and towards MORE government control...especially in your private life. The demolibs are the conservatives of the 1960's.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Well, there certainly can't be more than one "right" religion. I don't believe that most religions are necessarily bad, it just goes against basic logic that all can be right.

IE: Most religions believe that God is perfect and that He is perfectly honest. If one religion (or sect) says that we need to believe in Christ to be saved, and another says we don't, then their beliefs contradict each other. God can't contradict Himself, therefore, only one of these religions is "right" in God's eyes.
The same can be said about faith vs. works + faith, Mohammed vs. Jesus, baptism by immersion vs. other forms of baptism, etc. etc.

So unless you disagree with my premise, that God cannot contradict Himself (can't lie), then I think this logic is pretty sound. (And Garfield, it sounds like you may disagree with that, but most people don't--I'm not trying to criticize you, you can believe what you want.)

I've heard Christians say that there are "many paths" to the same God. This isn't in line with Matthew 7:14, "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

I don't believe that people from other religions are not good people, I just believe that they need to seek out and find the true religion in order to be saved.

I also believe that God understands our situations. Someone that lives their whole life in the middle of Africa may never hear of Christ, but God knows that and He'll give them a chance after this life to accept the truth. They still must live the best they can, kind of like what Garfield said.

Good post, I do not entirely disagree 😛
Take Care,
B) UT

 

[UAL_TECH]

Um, why does it have to be jesus and the new testament. Why can’t we just live by the golden rule? I have no faith. I just treat others as I wish to be treated. I help where I am able. Is that not what life is all about?

I realize it may not have been your intent (I surely hope not) but your post implied that all the other religions of the world should give up their beliefs in favor of christianity. It implies that you (christians) are right and that all other religions are wrong.

Did you not see the ‘JMHO’?

I do not care what you or anyone else’s personal beliefs are until it affects our society to the point that my beliefs are subjugated "without cause". I have many neighbors and friends from no belief to fanatical (not only Christian) and yet we can agree that as long as my faith is not forced upon them and they realize that mine cannot be shaken, we are all happy campers.

Not that we still do not have theological discussions and disagreements in theology but have the integrity to not kill each other over our differences and sit down and have a glass of wine afterwards.

Try that with muslims and get back to me.
B) UT

So you gonna rot in hell with delldude and me?

Are you good at penuckle? 😛
B) UT

Well in laymans terms...when Islam comes to your door you have two choices.....accept or die...its very very simple.Damnation will be very quick in this life and not in the hereafter.... 😉

When Jesus comes knocking...you can accept or deny and live happily everafter.Christianity doesn't demand your life if you don't feel like accepting His way.

Very well put
Hope people will understand it, but I doubt it!

Take Care,
B) UT