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I am not sure about the video as it is a bit unclear but the pledge he said as a child in school was not the same pledge that is being used today.
He said "one nation (one nation so blessed by God)" not "one nation under God". Not sure if got it a little confused or if he added the God part as his own interpretation but aware that it was not in the original pledge.
The under God is my biggest problem with the pledge. The part about 'freedom and justice for all" is the second.
He said "one nation (one nation so blessed by God)" not "one nation under God". Not sure if got it a little confused or if he added the God part as his own interpretation but aware that it was not in the original pledge.
The under God is my biggest problem with the pledge. The part about 'freedom and justice for all" is the second.
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Yes, I understand your confusion.
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Did you watch the entire video, Cosworth. The last 3 seconds may answer your question if you turned it off berfore then. Red, it would be a pity!
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I did cut it off before the end. My mistake.
I do not recall anyone calling it a prayer just that Gd has no place in the pledge. I would like to see the pledge restored to it's original content.
I do not recall anyone calling it a prayer just that Gd has no place in the pledge. I would like to see the pledge restored to it's original content.
Figures :down:
Try pledging allegiance to China.
Miss the part about removing prayer from our schools too?
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So...nobody would have a problem if my kid got on the school PA system and led the school in a "Hail Mary"....Or perhaps the Muslim kid who got everyone in the auditorium to face east and pray to Mecca? What about the country kid who brought his favorite snakes to school to do a little prayerful handling? Whose prayers do we allow in school??
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Last time I checked The Pledge of Alligence was NOT a prayer, even if it contains the word God in it !
And BTW, when a muslim student says the word God , during the Pledge, all he has to do is think of his God.
The only people who should have problems with the Pledge , are Atheist ! And to that I have a solution............Home School!
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Last time I checked The Pledge of Alligence was NOT a prayer, even if it contains the word God in it !
And BTW, when a muslim student says the word God , during the Pledge, all he has to do is think of his God.
The only people who should have problems with the Pledge , are Atheist ! And to that I have a solution............Home School!
The Pledge was not and should not be a prayer. Why the McCarthy folks had to go stick god everywhere they could is beyond me. It's not like the Russians actually gave a rats ass that we believed in a supernatural being.
I have never understood the lack of faith that people have in their religion that compels them to put their religion in the public domain any chance they get. Stick the 10 commandments up here, put the word 'god' or 'in god we trust' there. Why? Do you think it will fix something?
Perhaps if people would be half as worried about the education their children are not receiving as opposed to being worried if god is being mentioned enough we would not have a third rate education system and the children in this country would not be so far behind their peers in the rest of the world.
School is about 8 hours a day. During those 8 hours they should be taught the fundamentals. Writing, reading, math, science, literature, art and the like. When the kid gets home, send him to the religious school of your choice at your own dime. Teach him/her the world is flat, that it is only 6,000 yrs old and the dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans. I could care less.
Keep your religion private. Keep it out of the schools, the courtrooms and any other tax payer funded site. Put it back in your home, your church and any other place that you want that you pay for.
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As a Tax Payer, I pay for schools as well as all the other institutions. If you want to be ‘king’ pony up my tax bill and do as you will.
Oh, and GOD BLESS as well!
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Ah, the old majority rules and the minority can go to hell theory. The US Constitution was designed to protect the minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Until such time that you support the display of ALL religions (Wicca, Occult, Satanic, Islam, Hindu, Confucianism, Jainism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Druidism, Caodaism, Damanhur Community, Druze, Eckankar, Gnosticism, Hare Krishna, Scientology just to name a few. Do you really want the Hare Krishna's and the Scientology not to mention the Satan worshipers to have their time in school as well? How about a display on the city Court law during the holidays. That would be so nice to have a pentagram all lit up right next to the manger huh?
You seem to be part of the group that is just concerned for 'your' religion. As long as you get stage time, no worries for the rest. All I am arguing is that no religion should be in the public domain sine not all religions get equal access. There is public and there is private. Public is for everyone. Private is where you may do as you choose.
You seem to be part of the group that is just concerned for 'your' religion. As long as you get stage time, no worries for the rest. All I am arguing is that no religion should be in the public domain sine not all religions get equal access. There is public and there is private. Public is for everyone. Private is where you may do as you choose.
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A litte about Washington
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -- Dawkins
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." —John Adams
"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." —James Madison
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." —Thomas Jefferson
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." —Thomas Jefferson
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." -- Washington
“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies.â€
- Ben Franklin
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." —Benjamin Franklin
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." —Thomas Paine
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State." (1819). --Madison
"How a regulation so unjust in itself, so foreign to the authority of Congress, and so hurtful to the sale of public land, and smelling so strongly of an antiquated bigotry, could have received the countenance of a committee is truly a matter of astonishment ." (Madison, 1785, letter to James Monroe, on a failed attempt by congress to set aside public funds to support churches)
I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world ... -- Jefferson
The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. --Jefferson
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. -- Jefferson
Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. -- George Washington, letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792
Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned
Faith is believing in that which I know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
All thinking men are atheists. --Ernest Hemmingway
"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." -- Arthur C. Clarke
"Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -- Weinberg
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
There are tons more but I think you get the point.
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"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -- Dawkins
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." —John Adams
"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects." —James Madison
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." —Thomas Jefferson
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." —Thomas Jefferson
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." -- Washington
“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies.â€
- Ben Franklin
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." —Benjamin Franklin
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." —Thomas Paine
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State." (1819). --Madison
"How a regulation so unjust in itself, so foreign to the authority of Congress, and so hurtful to the sale of public land, and smelling so strongly of an antiquated bigotry, could have received the countenance of a committee is truly a matter of astonishment ." (Madison, 1785, letter to James Monroe, on a failed attempt by congress to set aside public funds to support churches)
I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world ... -- Jefferson
The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. --Jefferson
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. -- Jefferson
Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. -- George Washington, letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792
Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned
Faith is believing in that which I know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
All thinking men are atheists. --Ernest Hemmingway
"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." -- Arthur C. Clarke
"Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -- Weinberg
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
There are tons more but I think you get the point.
Tag ... you're it. I have to go mow the lawn.
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