How come the IAM didnt file a lawsuit similar to what ALPA did reguarding intergrating the res systems? Here is where I see the problem lies, now ALL bag tags read as US flts, no longer HP. In dual cities of fleet this should mean all bags be handled by EAST. There is no way of noticing what bag is east or west just by looking at it, i believe the FLEET would of had a better case than the pilots.
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Oh please. If you want to segregate yourselves so much then just look at the flight number on the tag since HP flights fall in one range and US flights in another.
Here's a better idea. Just pitch in and start treating it as ONE airline because that's the path your company is taking whether you are on different CBA's than your East/West counterparts or not.
Here's a better idea. Just pitch in and start treating it as ONE airline because that's the path your company is taking whether you are on different CBA's than your East/West counterparts or not.
Ok, I'll admit I'm an outsider and am not privy to internal communications. But a few months ago it was posted here by other internal people that the entire flight numbering system was realligned and West flights in one range and East in another. Maybe management never made it official, and maybe it's possible that the numbering scheme could change at a moment's notice.
But that's still beside the point. You are working for USAirways now. The only thing that seperates you from your US-East brothers and sisters is your bargaining agreement. Why should that stop you from handling *ANY* bags that come and go from your station? Why shouldn't you and your East colleagues just work together in any given station without squabbling over who handles which bag? Forgive me for my non-union ignorance, but aren't you losing sight of the bigger picture?
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His point merited discussion since the 'essance' of US AIRWAYS is two companies right now.
The fact is that US AIRWAYS is not one airline. In fact, my understanding is there are two operating certificates operating under one canopy. Further, 'two companies' is evidenced by more than just CBA's. Heck up until last week there were two different computer systems. Give it time, US AIRWAYS is working on becoming one, but it's definately not there yet.
At any rate, their collective bargaining agreement is the foundation of the working relationship [case closed!] so any discussion involving the CBA is keeping things on sight. I'm not a big IAM supporter as they have accomplished zero, nonetheless, both parties, including the company, must recognize collective bargaining sooner or later.
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please stop telling east and west fleet service to quit griping and work together .... we peform equal work yet we do not get equal pay...keep in mind that those of us who work on the west are OUTRAGED by this... hey if you want us to get along and be all chummy THEN PAY US!!!!!
It's simple , if you want good coustmer service it begins with happy employee's ...geez how hard is it to just pay the west workers what they should be making anyways ...
please stop telling east and west fleet service to quit griping and work together .... we peform equal work yet we do not get equal pay...keep in mind that those of us who work on the west are OUTRAGED by this... hey if you want us to get along and be all chummy THEN PAY US!!!!!
It's simple , if you want good coustmer service it begins with happy employee's ...geez how hard is it to just pay the west workers what they should be making anyways ...
Send one of the IAM "mighties" over to visit with some of the M&R people in Phl and you may see a different reaction!!! Rather angry group right now and rightly so.......
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The sick pay and vaction are meaningless to many of us ... case in point a friend of mine , lets call him bobby brown ... has worked for awa for 7 years and makes around 10 something at awa .... now another east worker for us air , lets call her whitney has also worked for us air for 7 years and makes roughly 15 and hour for the same work ....
What good is vaction if you can't afford to go anywhere ...
sickdays ? 1 , out west in the nice hubs and stations we have great weather all year round , we dont get sick that oftrn . 2 if we want to cut out of work we can just drop our days ..
In the west a super majority of US workers would like to be included under the East contract , that means we will accept ALL of the terms , lack of vaction and sick pay included.
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yeah , i'm gonna have to take a stand on this one .... you want us to shut up and bow our heads like the obident awa workers we used to be .... just "do our job " Well , we ain't AWA no more .... you don't get sastifaction until WE get sastfaction . Until then we're just like an anchor dragging along the sea bed ....
Power to the West !
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Somehow I think that if the sick pay and vacation were taken away (since you say they are meaningless), you'd take a different attitude on them.
That being said, we, the customers, don't give a rats arse how many companies make up this airline. We buy our tickets from and pay ONE entity now.
The pay thing may or may not get resolved anytime soon. That's to take up in your next bargaining round. But until then, work according to the contract your membership agreed upon.
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While they aren't "meaningless" they are far less imporant than making money , if i offered you the choice between 12 paid sick days a year at 10 dollars an hour with 3 weeks of vaction vs 15 dollars am hour with 6 paid sick days and 2 weeks of vaction which would you chose?
You should keep in mind that MANY of the former America west employee's have a VERY high work ethic .I for one don't even NEED 6 paid sick days in any given year (that's not even to mention the fact that you can't even save up the sick days you dont use under the awa contract ).
As for vaction ? We'd rather have more money in our day to day living than an extra week ....
As for the flying public .... While you may have some pretensions that this is the OLD us airways that you love .... it is not , this is AMERICA WEST AIRLINES ... and while you don't give a rats ass about our going on's in our company , WE don't give a rats arse about you ... or your luggage etc.... When i first started working for america west i was astonded by the level of lies and poor coustmer serivce this comany provides .. Case in point , i recall that one ladies wedding dress was lost or destroyed , i forget the cause , she was on her way to her wedding . I recall the coustmer service supervisor saying that while they were sorry , the most in compensation they could offer her was 500 dollars ... and no i don't believe we picked up her flight or offered her one free either .Having been with the company for awhile now thou , you could say i am accoustmed to the way we do bussiness , what's ONE person right? They will always come back for the cheap fairs , so it really doesn't matter how we treat them or what they think of us ....It's like their not even people ... that's a very sad mentality ,BUT , that's what we have here ...i guess you could say it helps us cope with our low paying high stress jobs.
The contact our memebership areed on ? Gee , i don't remeber saying i wanted to merge with US airways? but we did , and it is the view of many in the west that we saved US airways , althou i am now starting to doubt that old mindset . You see dear coustmer , the problem with this issue on pay is the fact that YOU see one company and the company TELLS us we are one , heck even the union too which we did not all belong but are now part of tells us we are ALL one big happy family .... but we aren't being treated PAY wise as if we were ? I'm an adult , so when someone tried to BS me in such a pathetic manner i really take issue with it ...
If America West no longer exists ,If TWU is no longer our union , and if US AIRWAYS is now one compnay and i'm an IAM member ..... why am i still getting paid the substandard wages of an America West ,TWU worker when the same person in the supposedly same union for the same company on the other side of the country (east ) is getting paid substantially more than i ?
I take issue with that , and on this i call out the company ... Shame on you !
(as the devils advocate i must say , Bravo! The longer you can keep ANYONE working at less pay and benfits the BETTER!)
