TSA and daily workers

[nbmcg01]

Just curious, how are the new procedures working for you all? I am hearing horror stories of the f/a boards.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Just curious, how are the new procedures working for you all? I am hearing horror stories of the f/a boards.

I'm not an FA but - I do hope so many people opt for the pat down air travel is snarled for 2 months.

The terrorists have already won - we're jumping through so many hoops for them ...

 

[eolesen]

Four flights and three airports last week (ORD, BOS, YUL), and in both BOS and ORD, the naked-scanners were not in service for some reason...

 

[nbmcg01]

Four flights and three airports last week (ORD, BOS, YUL), and in both BOS and ORD, the naked-scanners were not in service for some reason...

Were you groaped or was it professional. My friend (62 and former f/a for 35 years) was felt up and the TSA agent grbbed her crotch (and didn't even offer her a drink). We teach our children not to let strangers touch them and now they are groped by strangers while parents hold them. I agree E., we have let the terrorists win. Who thinks up this "stuff"? Obviously people that don't have to fly commercial. While I'm not crazy about the idea of profiling, El Al says that is what works, (and a big gun or two) so I'm for profiling. If someone wants to do something badly enough, sticking a hand up a skirt or down someone's pants is not going to help. I honestly feel sorry for the airline employees having to make that choice every day. I used to laugh when they first took our corkscrews away at security, (or course you could buy them in the gift stores past security) and they were boarded with the wine on the plane. Not to mention a crash ax, wine bottles, aluminum cans, hot coffee, fire extinguishers you name it.... And why not use the scanners thaat just show an outline with any questionable area lighted? I can't wait until my son flies with a titanium rod in his back and leg. Naked flying here we come..lol

 

[jersey777]

I have flown several trips this month out of JFK and they are not using the body scanners even though they are there.

 

[eolesen]

Were you groaped or was it professional.

No I wasn't. As I said, the scanners weren't in use. We were all using the normal mags and passing thru without any hassle.

Just to creep out the TSA screener, I think I'll start carrying little slips of paper with a fake phone number to hand them after they're done. 😉

 

[WorldTraveler]

It is an absolute joke that we don't profile people in this country.... we collect reams of data on passengers, have some sophisticated database of potential terrorists, and then resort to allowing children and elderly women to be pawed in the name of security.

The American people should stand up once and for all and tell the government that if they can't do what every logical person would do to properly screen the right people, then someone else should be doing the job. It is behind reasonable to continue to subject 700M passengers/year and tens of thousands of airline employees to security measures that should properlly be targeted to a handful of potential terrorists - and no one else.

 

[jersey777]

It is an absolute joke that we don't profile people in this country.... we collect reams of data on passengers, have some sophisticated database of potential terrorists, and then resort to allowing children and elderly women to be pawed in the name of security.

The American people should stand up once and for all and tell the government that if they can't do what every logical person would do to properly screen the right people, then someone else should be doing the job. It is behind reasonable to continue to subject 700M passengers/year and tens of thousands of airline employees to security measures that should properlly be targeted to a handful of potential terrorists - and no one else.

I completely agree. What if we vetted people before they got to the airport? How about people not being able to fly till they got on a "fly list"? Make every potential passenger go through a background check before hand and carry a travel document like a passport or they cannot fly. With 700m passengers traveling it makes more sense to me then waiting till the day of travel and the TSA saying "And who do we have here?"

 

[Hopeful]

I have flown since the new TSA scanners were installed and I got scanned. Doesn't bother me, but that's just me. But I can understand the "pat down" issue.
I can also bet that if they stop the pat downs and remove the scanners, should another passenger board an aircraft with a restricted article or even a weapon, those same people screaming about the new procedures will be the first to scream that the governement is not protecting passengers.
One thing people need to remember...You may have a US born citizen who may look like one the 9/11 hijackers. And after his 20th birthday decides to become a terrorist on his own....decides to board a flight with a weapon and try to create havoc.......He's not on any NO-FLY list, doesn't get patted down and there are no body scanners and the conventional security checks failed to detect the weapon.....What good did VETTING or a NO-FLY LIST DO FOR YOU?

 

[paul1]

I like how the pilots and f/a are bitching about these screening. But what union is standing up for the ground workers that have to go to work EVERDAY, we have all been through the background checks etc etc....

 

[Hopeful]

I like how the pilots and f/a are bitching about these screening. But what union is standing up for the ground workers that have to go to work EVERDAY, we have all been through the background checks etc etc....

Background check is understandable. Imagine being patted down EVERY day going to work?

 

[Deleted member 17588]

I like how the pilots and f/a are bitching about these screening. But what union is standing up for the ground workers that have to go to work EVERDAY, we have all been through the background checks etc etc....

I agree with you Paul. You have been through all the same background checks as the pilots and flight attendants and should be exempt as "trusted agents." If your union is not fighting for you in that regard, I guess you can just chalk it up as being one more problem with the TWU management.

And one note just to set the record straight....flight attendants go to work "every day" just like you guys. We are subject to TSA screening every morning in every city we fly out of after our layovers.

 

[787nightmare]

It is an absolute joke that we don't profile people in this country.... we collect reams of data on passengers, have some sophisticated database of potential terrorists, and then resort to allowing children and elderly women to be pawed in the name of security.

The American people should stand up once and for all and tell the government that if they can't do what every logical person would do to properly screen the right people, then someone else should be doing the job. It is behind reasonable to continue to subject 700M passengers/year and tens of thousands of airline employees to security measures that should properlly be targeted to a handful of potential terrorists - and no one else.

Absolutely.
I cop a major attitude everytime I go through the security at airports. WHY?...because I know what we SHOULD be doing.(hint: Israels strategy)
In the name of PC...this country bows to the whims of the ACLU(and CAIR), and there you have it. What are odds of reversing this if the tables were turned?
It's only a matter of time before another tragedy occurs. Frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

I bet the radical Islamists/Al Queda bunch sit around & talk in disbelief and laugh there asses off at this country. Just pathetic.
Only in America!

 

[Bob Owens]

In the name of PC...this country bows to the whims of the ACLU(and CAIR), and there you have it. What are odds of reversing this if the tables were turned?

Or, maybe, Chertoff and his buddies think theirs a lot more profit to be had by doing things the way they are doing it now?

 

[formeraa]

I completely agree. What if we vetted people before they got to the airport? How about people not being able to fly till they got on a "fly list"? Make every potential passenger go through a background check before hand and carry a travel document like a passport or they cannot fly. With 700m passengers traveling it makes more sense to me then waiting till the day of travel and the TSA saying "And who do we have here?"

That's right! Only the Middle Eastern-looking passengers should be groped, thereby letting all the Timothy McVeighs slide right through... <_<