TSA yet again

[Colby]

Im sure by now you have all recieved the email about having to go through Security when your seq. is done. Im not a commuter but I am still Pissed about this. All I have to Say is think about this....Passengers DO NOT need to go through security when connecting to another flight...... This I feel is just TSA yet again trying to invade us !!!! It is a lot of BULLSHIT ....Just because we can do things they cant !!!!!!!

 

[eolesen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to a few crew members from other airlines, they're being told it only applies if you didn't clear TSA security at the start of your flying day (i.e. the few places where employee bus drops you off airside). That's probably 100% of all layover cities, and the case at all but one or two stations (LAX and ORD come to mind).

If so, then technically, that's been the policy for almost 20 years, in writing at least if not always in practice. When I was an agent in ORD, I was told that if I arrived on the bus from the hangar and leaving on a flight after my shift ended (which I did quite often), I was expected to take my bag thru the checkpoint to have it screened before departing.

It is a lot of BULLSHIT ....Just because we can do things they cant !!!!!!!

Yep. Like bring drugs and guns on an aircraft in MCO....

 

[Colby]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to a few crew members from other airlines, they're being told it only applies if you didn't clear TSA security at the start of your flying day (i.e. the few places where employee bus drops you off airside). That's probably 100% of all layover cities, and the case at all but one or two stations (LAX and ORD come to mind).

If so, then technically, that's been the policy for almost 20 years, in writing at least if not always in practice. When I was an agent in ORD, I was told that if I arrived on the bus from the hangar and leaving on a flight after my shift ended (which I did quite often), I was expected to take my bag thru the checkpoint to have it screened before departing.
Yep. Like bring drugs and guns on an aircraft in MCO....

Nice try sweetie....But we don't seem to have to option of By Passing Security anywhere anymore. We have lost almost all of our cities that let us bypass security...even small stations like FNT, FWA, Etc... TSA has taken away a lot of our freedom... which I can understand with the idots that ruin it for the rest of us. BUT this one is basically my co workers that end in ORD already rushing to the flight home expected to go through Secutity first. You find me a city that doesnt let us go through OPS anymore..... They just need to find a reason to Harrass us !!! A while ago when I was going through FNT after 9-11 one way I was a Selectee !! I didn't argue I Knew they were doing their job... They Bag checked my Roll-A- Board... then when I was at the boarding gate they Checked my Tote Bag and me....As the Guy was "Wonding ME" HE told me my View from the back was NICE !!!!! Yes I reported him.... BUT this is the Harrassment us Flight Attnedants DONT NEED

 

[Garfield1966]

I guess I am missing something because I don’t understand how this is enforceable. You guys get off the plane just like us. You walk out of the terminal just like us. Also, why would TSA want to screen you after a flight?

This just does not make any sense. Then again, TSA is involved so perhaps it not making sense actually makes sense. I’m so confused.

 

[Colby]

I guess I am missing something because I don’t understand how this is enforceable. You guys get off the plane just like us. You walk out of the terminal just like us. Also, why would TSA want to screen you after a flight?

This just does not make any sense. Then again, TSA is involved so perhaps it not making sense actually makes sense. I’m so confused.

Garfield....That's what Im saying.... They are tring to Bring us out even more than normal.... Like I say they are Jealous of what we have.... Did you all know they put in to be able to JUMPSEAT on Carriers ????? Yep they plan out HATE US !!!!

 

[ch53D]

Garfield....That's what Im saying.... They are tring to Bring us out even more than normal.... Like I say they are Jealous of what we have.... Did you all know they put in to be able to JUMPSEAT on Carriers ????? Yep they plan out HATE US !!!!

If granting TSA Jump Seat authority is true. I think there would be a major dispute over that issue to say the least. AMT’s were granted that authority in the 2001 contract and it started a major dispute with the FAA, Pilots, TSA, ect., and as of today its still an issue with AMT’s. It has become such an issue the TWU has even walk away from it.

 

[Colby]

If granting TSA Jump Seat authority is true. I think there would be a major dispute over that issue to say the least. AMT’s were granted that authority in the 2001 contract and it started a major dispute with the FAA, Pilots, TSA, ect., and as of today its still an issue with AMT’s. It has become such an issue the TWU has even walk away from it.

May I remind you how I was Forced into Resignation of USAIR.... I was Jumpseating on EXP Jet and after a long time I was advised by my MGMT that they wanted a Mandatory Meeting about my Travel on CO Airlines.... My friend that is a CAPT at Ex Jet let me Jumpseat on CO EXP a few years back...she was fired but got her job back per the Union because I always took a PX Seat... But the best My Union could do was tell me to Resign after 3 years and a perfect record.... YUP I still blame my Union for that but It turns out to be a blessing in desguise because I carry a line vs my other friends on res at other carrierers after 3 yrs....
So,.... If we are so closely watched.... the TSA should not be allowed....They like the WN agents allowed to Jumpseat are NOT ALLOWED !!!!!!!!!!

 

[eolesen]

Nice try sweetie....But we don't seem to have to option of By Passing Security anywhere anymore.

OK, sugar britches. I wasn't aware that this only applied to flight attendants, since after years and years of furloughs, there wouldn't be anyone working on the ground who commutes...

As far as I know, there are still dozens of locations where ramp and mechanics have the ability to enter hangar and cargo facilities, transit the airfield in a company vehicle, and enter the concourse. That's what the directive appears targeted at.

Obviously, the guy at Comair figured out how to smuggle a duffle bag of firearms onto a flight without being detected. This was just the one time he was caught. How many other times did he do this, and was he the only rocket scientist in the history of aviation to figure out how to do this? Unlikely...

 

[Colby]

OK, sugar britches. I wasn't aware that this only applied to flight attendants, since after years and years of furloughs, there wouldn't be anyone working on the ground who commutes...

As far as I know, there are still dozens of locations where ramp and mechanics have the ability to enter hangar and cargo facilities, transit the airfield in a company vehicle, and enter the concourse. That's what the directive appears targeted at.

Obviously, the guy at Comair figured out how to smuggle a duffle bag of firearms onto a flight without being detected. This was just the one time he was caught. How many other times did he do this, and was he the only rocket scientist in the history of aviation to figure out how to do this? Unlikely...

The guy from Comair Did figure it out and Yes there are ground personel that park in employee parking lots and avoid Screening. From what Ive heard at ORD they are going to start driving the Employee Bus to the front of Terminal where all employees will have to go through security. The thing that I find RIDICULOUS is the Pilots and Flight Attendants that are expected to through when their trip is over and they are heading home...... It is Uncalled for... Once again The Passengers connecting through the airport do not have to leave the terminal and get ReScreened !!!!

 

[Garfield1966]

Does anyone here have any indipendent verificaton about this? The more I think about it the more it seems stupid for even TSA. SOmething just does not smell right about this whole thread and we all know how many rumors just start out of crap like this.

 

[jimntx]

The thing that I find RIDICULOUS is the Pilots and Flight Attendants that are expected to through when their trip is over and they are heading home...... It is Uncalled for... Once again The Passengers connecting through the airport do not have to leave the terminal and get ReScreened !!!!

No. There has been clarification. If you started your "work" day--either at base or at a layover city--by going through security, then you do NOT have to be rescreened in order to commute home as long as you don't leave the airport SIDA. However, if you started your day at a station that allows you to bypass security
in getting to the SIDA--for instance, the way at ORD they always allowed employees to go on the bus from the parking lot directly to the terminal--then you have to clear security before you can travel as a passenger. (And yes, I know that has probably come to an end. I'm just using ORD as an example.)

My guess is that this will become a non-issue because those few stations that have allowed us to bypass security in the past will no longer allow it.

My concern is...
If you are a flight attendant, how can you possibly do your job if you take everything so personally. The TSA did not do this as a way to inconvenience flight attendants--out of jealousy of their jumpseat privileges or any other reason. They did it because a flight crew member used the ability to bypass security at MCO to smuggle guns and ammunition into the SIDA.

I would like to know what the source is of your information about TSA trying to get jumpseat privileges? Galley gossip? Whether you know it or not, there is no FAA restriction on who can occupy a cabin jumpseat. The only FAA requirement is that if you allow someone other than your airline's flight attendants--for instance, a gate agent--to occupy a cabin jumpseat, they must be instructed in the operation of the emergency exit associated with that jumpseat (if any).

There are restrictions on the cockpit jumpseats, but not the cabin jumpseats.

 

[ILS2MINIMUMS]

They did it because a flight crew member used the ability to bypass security at MCO to smuggle guns and ammunition into the SIDA.

Just for clarity's sake, the guy was a 22 year-old ramper, not a flight crew member.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258518,00.html

 

[jimntx]

Just for clarity's sake, the guy was a 22 year-old ramper, not a flight crew member.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258518,00.html

Sorry. That's what I get for depending on the USAviation version of galley gossip.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Does anyone here have any indipendent verificaton about this? The more I think about it the more it seems stupid for even TSA. SOmething just does not smell right about this whole thread and we all know how many rumors just start out of crap like this.

From Phil Gilbert, manager, corporate security.[edited]

"The following individuals do not require screening through the security checkpoint:

Crewmembers and mechanics who are working a particular flight or are deadheading to an assignment.

Company employees who are traveling on behalf of the company.

The TSA has now determined that in terms of [edited, do not post security directive numbers], a passenger is any individual flying on personal time to include non-business related trips, vacations and employees that(sic) commute to and from asignments"

This, of course, is far too complex for the average TSA slackjaw to interpret.

 

[Colby]

From Phil Gilbert, manager, corporate security. [edited]

"The following individuals do not require screening through the security checkpoint:

Crewmembers and mechanics who are working a particular flight or are deadheading to an assignment.

Company employees who are traveling on behalf of the company.

The TSA has now determined that in terms of [edited do not post security directive numbers], a passenger is any individual flying on personal time to include non-business related trips, vacations and employees that(sic) commute to and from asignments"

This, of course, is far too complex for the average TSA slackjaw to interpret.

just a quick FYI TSA has changed this....guess I wasn't the only person complaining about this.... Crew Members now are not required to go through security after completion of a sequence/trip before commuting home !!!

Now we just have to watch out for Flight Attendants at UA going from ATL to IAD.... Just read about this situation yesterday. Anyone know how she screwed that up ?????