TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[NYer]

You must be foaming at the mouth anticipating a windfall from the TWU/Association. After all, fleet service (YOU) have fared pretty well under the bus driver union. So it is understandable why you are for this sham association. Not a bad deal for your job classification. If were in your shoes, I'd be ecstatic making the salary you make. It's obvious you don't care for mechanics, maybe out of jealousy? You sure sound like you have skin in the game where mechanics are concerned.....I would think an anti mechanic ilk like your self would love to see the mechanics leave the bus driver union....But then again, there wouldn't be any coat tails to ride on.

 
Quite the opposite, Mr Mover. I have been encouraging those that want to make a move to actually move. There should have been a card signing campaign for months to get to the goal of change. Instead, there was a lot of yada, yada, yada.
 
You guys wait until the last 30 days in the process to try and get cards signed? Next you'll start a campaign for write-in votes? Too little, too late. It is quite funny that a group that purports to be smarter than everyone else continually fails to meet their goals...
 
To me, the Association is preferable to a representational fight that will never end despite who wins. If the TWU wins, then we'll have thousands of disgruntled IAM members on top of the already disgruntled TWU members. If the IAM wins, then the disgruntled TWU members will be even more disgruntled and we'll be fighting cards drives into the foreseeable future.
 
With the Association, most IAM members keep what they value and most TWU members also keep what they most value. Those disgruntled TWU members will just continue with their 50 year plight. Even par.

 

[NYer]

And what non- mechanics need to understand is that mechanics have not fared too well under the TWU. Pay wise fleet service is nearer to the top if industry pay while mechanics are at the bottom. No one work group has taken such a huge loss of headcount as the mechanics have. Forgive me, but I view the TWU as an enemy to my job classification

 
There are more Mechanics than Fleet Service.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Quite the opposite, Mr Mover. I have been encouraging those that want to make a move to actually move. There should have been a card signing campaign for months to get to the goal of change. Instead, there was a lot of yada, yada, yada.
 
You guys wait until the last 30 days in the process to try and get cards signed? Next you'll start a campaign for write-in votes? Too little, too late. It is quite funny that a group that purports to be smarter than everyone else continually fails to meet their goals...
 
To me, the Association is preferable to a representational fight that will never end despite who wins. If the TWU wins, then we'll have thousands of disgruntled IAM members on top of the already disgruntled TWU members. If the IAM wins, then the disgruntled TWU members will be even more disgruntled and we'll be fighting cards drives into the foreseeable future.
 
With the Association, most IAM members keep what they value and most TWU members also keep what they most value. Those disgruntled TWU members will just continue with their 50 year plight. Even par.

Again I ask, why do you......a non mechanic.... care what we do?
You seem to have a learning problem,,,,,,,,The TWU has pitted the large-member-bloc of TUL against the line mechanics. TUL controlled the vote. But their majority is just about at an end. TUL is shaking in their boots because of the unknown. 
 
the point I am making is that fleet service has fared better under the TWU than the mechanics...prove me wrong!

 

[MetalMover]

 
There are more Mechanics than Fleet Service.

Maybe so, but those in TUL who are rightfully very concerned about their future reduces the majority of mechanics who want the TWU gone.

 

[Buck]

Maybe so, but those in TUL who are rightfully very concerned about their future reduces the majority of mechanics who want the TWU gone.

You have to remember that the core philosophy of the socialistic TWU is to show that everyone is the same. Their total disregard for your skill as an A&P Mechanic is evident, by the way the mechanics have been treated. 

 

[dfw gen]

 
There are more Mechanics than Fleet Service.

Then why are there NO MECHANICS in the atd? And why is a fleet service clerk chairing the maintenance negotiating committee?

 

[dfw gen]

Sounds like taxation without representation. If I were a fleet service clerk I would not want maintenance to leave that's the only leverage you have. Claim what you will but without maintenance in a few years fleet service would be decimated by the company.

 

[AANOTOK]

Sounds like taxation without representation. If I were a fleet service clerk I would not want maintenance to leave that's the only leverage you have. Claim what you will but without maintenance in a few years fleet service would be decimated by the company.

I will say this one time and claim it covers me for eternity...Thank you maintenance for allowing me to prosper for the past 32 years and please don't leave, I'm not ready to retire (or be decimated). And on a serious note, tear your ass dfw gen, I could honestly care less.

 

[dfw gen]

I will say this one time and claim it covers me for eternity...Thank you maintenance for allowing me to prosper for the past 32 years and please don't leave, I'm not ready to retire (or be decimated). And on a serious note, tear your ass dfw gen, I could honestly care less.

its a fact Jack. Jim Little years ago admitted that maintenance was used as leverage.  the old a loaf a bread cost the same for everyone brother.
 
again no maintenance representation in the atd all run by fleet service. and our negotiations chaired by a fleet service clerk.
 
your welcome for the prosperity! 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

And what non- mechanics need to understand is that mechanics have not fared too well under the TWU.

I understand it just fine. I came from TULE after all. I heard this same conversation over the last 10 years of my employment at American Airlines, but instead of text on a screen I had conversations face to face.
 
What I don't understand is why mechanics even bring up Fleet. All that you perceive has been done wrong to you was done by the AA/TWU alliance (soon to be a trifecta.... place your bets). Not by the working members of Fleet.
 
I for one am glad you are angry. Anger is a good tool and can initiate needed change. But for anger to work it has to be focused. Focus it on the real enemy.
 
Don't be angry at your coworkers for your bad contract..... just fire your negotiator. 

 

[MetalMover]

I understand it just fine. I came from TULE after all. I heard this same conversation over the last 10 years of my employment at American Airlines, but instead of text on a screen I had conversations face to face.
 
What I don't understand is why mechanics even bring up Fleet. All that you perceive has been done wrong to you was done by the AA/TWU alliance (soon to be a trifecta.... place your bets). Not by the working members of Fleet.
 
I for one am glad you are angry. Anger is a good tool and can initiate needed change. But for anger to work it has to be focused. Focus it on the real enemy.
 
Don't be angry at your coworkers for your bad contract..... just fire your negotiator. 

First of all my post that triggered off this little firestorm was directed at NYer who happens to be in fleet service. He is quite outspoken against AMFA for someone who has no skin in the aircraft maintenance game.
When posters like NYer stop brining up AMFA, I will stop bringing up fleet. I challenge anyone here to disprove the fact that the TWU at AA for decades was dominated by fleet service. How would you like to  have had your local presidents and officers and negotiators dominated by mechanics? How do you thing fleet service would have fared under us? Once mechanics got our own locals (thanks to the AMFA threat), the TWU created another division between OH and LiNE. Once again we found ourselves a minority. Do you realize in the good old days we all voted collectively, all TWU groups? Do you realize that in the good old days other work groups got to vote on what mechanics made including license premiums? As a matter of fact everyone got to vote on the other TWU workgroups pay. Guess who won each and every time? the MAJORITY.......fleet. Does that seem fair? I once had my local president, an aircraft cleaner, when they had them at the line stations tell me "don't think your special because you have a license, you're no more important than that guy who mops the floors." Who should I have complained to above his head about that? 
But my oh my have times changed.
I am getting bashed here by some fleet service members for my remarks but the fleet service members here who mock mechanics for "being better than them because we have license" get a pass.
 
BTW, I do not blame any one MEMBER for how mechanics were treated. I blame the TWU for allowing it. I do blame those mechanics who choose to support the TWU after decades of misrepresentation. 
This is a public forum and everyone should comment. But posters like NYer spew venom against AMFA as if he or she's life depend on their getting in at AA.
What mechanics do is our choice, no other workgroup's.
If you and others choose to support the TWU, then do so by all means. But defending them against an AMFA threat when it does not concern your group will get responses like mine.

 

[bob@las-AA]

AA and the TWU have been in bed with each other since 1945. You and those before you had 70 years to do something if
things were as bad as all of you claim. 

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Regardless of how FS feels about Maint. or how Maint. feels about FS, the bottom line is AMTs have voted in the TAs.  I think it is disgusting our international decided that Fleet and Stores deserve better benefits and lower pay cut percentages than AMTs.  I also think they owe us an apology with an assurance we will get these things restored before the other groups get a single penny, but that won't happen.  A majority of AMTs voted yes for these contracts so we must share the blame.  This does not absolve the TWU international and Jim Little for selling us out though.  They still get the lion's share of the blame for bringing back crap like they have.  Who's idea of unionism pays longevity pay to everyone except AMTs?  How about paying sick time to everyone but AMTs?  More vacation for Stores?  These so called "Union men" who are responsible for this crap should have been tarred and feathered.  Lombardo needs to fear the TWU membership more than he fears AA or the AFL-CIO.  He doesn't fear the membership at all by his conscious effort to snub the AMT profession and have non of us in the ATD.  How do we get our own union to respect us?  That won't happen.  We must make them FEAR us.  Just my opinion.

 

[NYer]

Again I ask, why do you......a non mechanic.... care what we do?
You seem to have a learning problem,,,,,,,,The TWU has pitted the large-member-bloc of TUL against the line mechanics. TUL controlled the vote. But their majority is just about at an end. TUL is shaking in their boots because of the unknown. 
 
the point I am making is that fleet service has fared better under the TWU than the mechanics...prove me wrong!

 
Brothers looking out for Brothers.
 
You guys should have started collecting cards 8 months ago....the day the Association applied for the STS. Wasted a lot of time.......you'll be stuck with the Association. Awwwwww man.

 

[NYer]

Maybe so, but those in TUL who are rightfully very concerned about their future reduces the majority of mechanics who want the TWU gone.

 
Whatever was may be lost in TUL are regained with the IAM mechanics, seems like the majority is growing rather than shrinking. The window of opportunity is quickly closing......shouldn't of procrastinated with the card collecting.