TWU Screw is about to be implemented

[amt66]

Yea like you are going to do that. Give away all the pay and benefits then fight for the work.

Already doing it I would suggest everyone leave the laptop at home and get out and do your job!

Pay and benefits were giving away thanks to the weak twu nothing you and I can do about it until we kick them off the property. The union is weak because the members are weak. Look around you and think who would actually go on strike ? The guys in tulsa are living large with their fresh water boats and their Harley's and pick up trucks. Everywhere else most live paycheck to paycheck . There are a bunch of guys here who don't even pay their mortgage yet spend the money in new toys. I can tell you for sure that 85% would cross a picket line you can visualize it

 

[amt66]

Here's the current planned final aircraft numbers and dates at AFW. (subject to change) 

Bay1 - Last A/C# 320 Leaves 08/22/12
Bay2 - Last A/C# 322 Leaves 10/26/12
Bay3 - Last A/C# 385 Leaves 11/30/12
Bay4 - Last A/C# 7AG Leaves 11/26/12
Bay6 - Last A/C# 395 Leaves 12/19/12

The 767LC's will be moved to TULE dock 6B & 6C.
The 777MBV's will be outsourced.

Do your job and inspect these planes correctly remember are families fly on them!

 

[Flying low]

Here's the current planned final aircraft numbers and dates at AFW. (subject to change)

Bay1 - Last A/C# 320 Leaves 08/22/12
Bay2 - Last A/C# 322 Leaves 10/26/12
Bay3 - Last A/C# 385 Leaves 11/30/12
Bay4 - Last A/C# 7AG Leaves 11/26/12
Bay6 - Last A/C# 395 Leaves 12/19/12

The 767LC's will be moved to TULE dock 6B & 6C.
The 777MBV's will be outsourced.

I hope you guys and gals make sure those a/c leave late don't be heroes it won't save your jobs!

Your certainly not suggesting a job action, are you??

 

[amt66]

Your certainly not suggesting a job action, are you??

Not at all do your job with precision remember our families fly on these planes!

 

[odie01]

Not at all do your job with precision remember our families fly on these planes! Don't be in a hurry and look the other way so you can play dominoes!

Pulling up current MM references for the job at hand will never be considered a job action.

 

[Buck]

In other words OUTSOURCED just like the A319.

It seems that if I understood what was said that the A319 and A321's were going to be at TULE in 2014. in Hangar 5 or 6???

 

[amt66]

Pulling up current MM references for the job at hand will never be considered a job action.

Exactly now you get it! I remember back around 95 we were suppose to change an 727 APu nfnf and they didn't have the gear door locks as required on the paperwork. Guess what happened a/c didn't fly in the morning. Read and understand the paperwork if it requires a particular tool or solvent etc etc demand it. They can't do squat if your following paperwork!

 

[Overspeed]

So according to you the info posted on the UNION website is not official. So why post things that are not official? Just like our contract, nothing is official until the COMPANY fills in the blanks. Can not trust info coming from the union and the company changes course when ever they see fit. This is the collateral damage from voting YES.

That's a legitimate document. To keep things in perspective this is the plan based on the new CBA, if the 3/22 term sheet had been implemented pretty much all airframe overhaul would be gone and the Base cuts more severe. So when you hear the CBA saved jobs it is in the context of what could have been.

Now the HC numbers in this document are based off the Jan 2012 HC so any attrition would reduce the total RIFs. Another offset to the RIF impact would be the EO and SiS. The RIF number would further be reduced by that number as well. Being realistic, there will be people RIF'd.

No one in the TWU Int'l has said this was a great CBA but it is the best at mitigating the job reductions had the 3/22 term sheet been implemented. Yes we will lose more HC when the new fleet impact hits but keep in mind, if there are no LC/HC's to do because they are new, that means the outsourcing 35% of nothing is nothing. When those aircraft get older, AA will have to bring 65% of that maintenance spend in-house. No other CBA has language like that. UA/CO and US CBA's have no cap on outsourcing. WN locks in a certain amount of lines and a minimum HC of 2.75 per aircraft regardless of work volume.

 

[amt66]

That's a legitimate document. To keep things in perspective this is the plan based on the new CBA, if the 3/22 term sheet had been implemented pretty much all airframe overhaul would be gone and the Base cuts more severe. So when you hear the CBA saved jobs it is in the context of what could have been.

Now the HC numbers in this document are based off the Jan 2012 HC so any attrition would reduce the total RIFs. Another offset to the RIF impact would be the EO and SiS. The RIF number would further be reduced by that number as well. Being realistic, there will be people RIF'd.

No one in the TWU Int'l has said this was a great CBA but it is the best at mitigating the job reductions had the 3/22 term sheet been implemented. Yes we will lose more HC when the new fleet impact hits but keep in mind, if there are no LC/HC's to do because they are new, that means the outsourcing 35% of nothing is nothing. When those aircraft get older, AA will have to bring 65% of that maintenance spend in-house. No other CBA has language like that. UA/CO and US CBA's have no cap on outsourcing. WN locks in a certain amount of lines and a minimum HC of 2.75 per aircraft regardless of work volume.

I read on the ual forum they don't have system protection like someone posted on here! Certain people just make crap up and expect us to believe it!

 

[1AA]

That's a legitimate document. To keep things in perspective this is the plan based on the new CBA, if the 3/22 term sheet had been implemented pretty much all airframe overhaul would be gone and the Base cuts more severe. So when you hear the CBA saved jobs it is in the context of what could have been.

Now the HC numbers in this document are based off the Jan 2012 HC so any attrition would reduce the total RIFs. Another offset to the RIF impact would be the EO and SiS. The RIF number would further be reduced by that number as well. Being realistic, there will be people RIF'd.

No one in the TWU Int'l has said this was a great CBA but it is the best at mitigating the job reductions had the 3/22 term sheet been implemented. Yes we will lose more HC when the new fleet impact hits but keep in mind, if there are no LC/HC's to do because they are new, that means the outsourcing 35% of nothing is nothing. When those aircraft get older, AA will have to bring 65% of that maintenance spend in-house. No other CBA has language like that. UA/CO and US CBA's have no cap on outsourcing. WN locks in a certain amount of lines and a minimum HC of 2.75 per aircraft regardless of work volume.

No guarantee that the judge would abrogate. If he did there is no guarantee that AA will impose the March 22 term sheet in its entirety. But one thing for sure is if we voted no or the contract was abrogated we would be in negotiations right now trying to work out a better deal. Any improvement over this LBO would have been an improvement.
Not looking for a industry leading contract but sure as hell not working under a industry lagging contract. We are so far below an industry average contract that if we go any lower we would all be in China. Maybe we should be in China working on OUR outsourced 777 aircraft. This gives an all new meaning to "follow the aircraft" to your next maintenance station.

 

[FWAAA]

No one in the TWU Int'l has said this was a great CBA but it is the best at mitigating the job reductions had the 3/22 term sheet been implemented. Yes we will lose more HC when the new fleet impact hits but keep in mind, if there are no LC/HC's to do because they are new, that means the outsourcing 35% of nothing is nothing. When those aircraft get older, AA will have to bring 65% of that maintenance spend in-house. No other CBA has language like that. UA/CO and US CBA's have no cap on outsourcing. WN locks in a certain amount of lines and a minimum HC of 2.75 per aircraft regardless of work volume.

US caps outsourcing at 50% and WN has the four lines at DAL, which is about one-sixth of WN's heavy checks. WN outsources four lines to Aeroman in El Salvador and, according to AMFA, WN has another 16 or so lines at domestic MROs. That means that WN outsources about 83% of its heavy checks.

 

[Bob Owens]

I read on the ual forum they don't have system protection like someone posted on here! Certain people just make crap up and expect us to believe it!

Read what he wrote again he said they have "No Furlough" language, in other words No furloughs. I read it the way you did at first, till I read the whole post.

He goes on to say he doesnt know if they are going to be able to keep it when they blend the two contracts.

UAL has "No Furloughs" for anyone on payroll as of 12 31 11 in their CBA.

 

[amt66]

Read what he wrote again he said they have "No Furlough" language, in other words No furloughs. I read it the way you did at first, till I read the whole post.

He goes on to say he doesnt know if they are going to be able to keep it when they blend the two contracts.

UAL has "No Furloughs" for anyone on payroll as of 12 31 11 in their CBA.

Oh ok I see that. Well once again our union failed us which is why I don't understand why anyone would defend the twu! The worthless union

 

[swamt]

US caps outsourcing at 50% and WN has the four lines at DAL, which is about one-sixth of WN's heavy checks. WN outsources four lines to Aeroman in El Salvador and, according to AMFA, WN has another 16 or so lines at domestic MROs. That means that WN outsources about 83% of its heavy checks.

You are partially correct. The 4 lines of maint in Dal will be about 1/4 (25%) of our outsourced heavy maint. SWA has always been between 65-75% for years and years. While we were teamsters for well over 25 years, they "NEVER" had a limit for outsourcing out of the country, NEVER. This is what allowed the co. to go to Elsolvador. NOT AMFA people. In fact once AMFA took over they actually were successfull in getting limits installed to force the co. limits to 4 lines performed at only "ONE" location. AND every sec 6 they have to ask to continue the 4 lines over seas. It was in fact the teamsters that were the very first to allow outsourcing over seas.

BTW; now that we bought AT our outsourcing numbers have dropped tremedously. The company will have to bring in more maint. since AT did not perform anything more than light over nighters. They will have to bring in alot of "C" checks as well as the 4-12Y's we do. We all know that this will take aprox 2-3 years to iron out, but the company has admitted that they will have to hire more mechs for this very reason of the incoming maint from AT. The numbers we are hearing could be as high as 200 added mechs from the street.

 

[1AA]

You are partially correct. The 4 lines of maint in Dal will be about 1/4 (25%) of our outsourced heavy maint. SWA has always been between 65-75% for years and years. While we were teamsters for well over 25 years, they "NEVER" had a limit for outsourcing out of the country, NEVER. This is what allowed the co. to go to Elsolvador. NOT AMFA people. In fact once AMFA took over they actually were successfull in getting limits installed to force the co. limits to 4 lines performed at only "ONE" location. AND every sec 6 they have to ask to continue the 4 lines over seas. It was in fact the teamsters that were the very first to allow outsourcing over seas.

BTW; now that we bought AT our outsourcing numbers have dropped tremedously. The company will have to bring in more maint. since AT did not perform anything more than light over nighters. They will have to bring in alot of "C" checks as well as the 4-12Y's we do. We all know that this will take aprox 2-3 years to iron out, but the company has admitted that they will have to hire more mechs for this very reason of the incoming maint from AT. The numbers we are hearing could be as high as 200 added mechs from the street.

Great news. 200 AMT's? Don't have to look far and long. There will be plenty to chose from with experience. I hope the guys that end up on the street find work quickly. It really sucks being laid off for a period of time.