TWU senority snafus galore

[Barfbag]

It appears that some braniac at HQ has decided to open the TWA seniority issue again just as the NY metro area is in the process of bidding.

Certain former TWA's had their seniority readjusted again after the bid process started . The company nor the union failed to provide these individuals with a personalized letter as to how their new seniority dates were adjusted, furthermore both JFK Airfreight and other stations are downsizing adding to the fiasco. New names coming into JFK FSC were added, but some existing high seniority FSC were deleted from the bidding list.

Everyone's pointing their fingers at everyone else, it's a real circle-jerk.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Hey, it's standard procedure for American Airlines.Haven't you realized that yet?

In all seriousness, the management of this airline at both the local and corporate level couldn't organize a one car funeral.

 

[MCI transplant]

It appears that some braniac at HQ has decided to open the TWA seniority issue again just as the NY metro area is in the process of bidding.

Certain former TWA's had their seniority readjusted again after the bid process started . The company nor the union failed to provide these individuals with a personalized letter as to how their new seniority dates were adjusted, furthermore both JFK Airfreight and other stations are downsizing adding to the fiasco. New names coming into JFK FSC were added, but some existing high seniority FSC were deleted from the bidding list.

Everyone's pointing their fingers at everyone else, it's a real circle-jerk.

<_< ------- Oh boy! Here we go again! Sounds like another grievance/lawsuit/Kasher thing, BOHICA, again! What part of 100%/25%/2001, don't they understand?--------- Here I thought Kasher was the only one who could "readjust" seniority!!?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

The way I understand it, there were some former TWA members who accrued more than three years seniority while laid off and these adjustments were to roll back anything over the three years they were permitted.

I believe it was Kasher that made the adjustments in question.The problem is AA management as usual jumped the gun and applied these adjustments with no notice at all.Factor in the ongoing RIF in the NY One Station complex with bids in progress or pending and it's a vintage AA screw up.

 

[Hopeful]

<_< ------- Oh boy! Here we go again! Sounds like another grievance/lawsuit/Kasher thing, BOHICA, again! What part of 100%/25%/2001, don't they understand?--------- Here I thought Kasher was the only one who could "readjust" seniority!!?

He is the one and he verified the seniority adjustment with DRC #32 which essentially addressed those former TWA folks who were actually on layoff on the street. When you are laid off, your company seniority stops accruing right away. Occupational time stops accruing after 3 years on layoff status. When the recalls started, the 100%/25%/2001 rule had to be applied and was not done correctly by the company. Even their company time adjustment was not done properly.
All is resolved now but the latest issue in this saga was as Barfbag said: nothing official was ever communicated to those affected. The company finally agreed to resolve all matters with respect to DRC 32 and by 1/27/09 will post the seniority adjustments on JETNET.

 

[eolesen]

Agree the notifications should have gone out if adjustments were made to the seniority list, but:

1) is there a contractual obligation to notify someone when their seniority is adjusted?

2) who should be responsible for doing this?

We did a lot of surveying how shift bids were done in 2003-2005, and the larger locals were pretty insistent that they validated the seniority list before bid packets went out, since they also conducted/oversaw the bidding process.

I've always been of the opinion that since the union determines how seniority is assigned, they own the list and would be the one responsible for validating that it is correct, and for communicating it. But, of course I'm biased.

 

[Hopeful]

Agree the notifications should have gone out if adjustments were made to the seniority list, but:

1) is there a contractual obligation to notify someone when their seniority is adjusted?

2) who should be responsible for doing this?

We did a lot of surveying how shift bids were done in 2003-2005, and the larger locals were pretty insistent that they validated the seniority list before bid packets went out, since they also conducted/oversaw the bidding process.

I've always been of the opinion that since the union determines how seniority is assigned, they own the list and would be the one responsible for validating that it is correct, and for communicating it. But, of course I'm biased.

The DRC #32 ruling was handed down on 10/29/08. The TWU played a big part in they delay getting the adjusted list out. But the company handles the seniority list. They update it and adjust it, not the union. Mu local president said they were in no hurry to get the new list out as there were other things more pressing. Here they are 3 months later finally getting it on JETNET for all to see.


There is equal blame to go around here.

 

[Skymess]

Agree the notifications should have gone out if adjustments were made to the seniority list, but:

1) is there a contractual obligation to notify someone when their seniority is adjusted?

2) who should be responsible for doing this?

We did a lot of surveying how shift bids were done in 2003-2005, and the larger locals were pretty insistent that they validated the seniority list before bid packets went out, since they also conducted/oversaw the bidding process.

I've always been of the opinion that since the union determines how seniority is assigned, they own the list and would be the one responsible for validating that it is correct, and for communicating it. But, of course I'm biased.

One thing I've learned at AA is to ALWAYS keep an eye on your seniority number AND the people who are above and below you.

I had my seniority put back 8 months one year and didn't notice it until I was on the reserve list and saw my number was placed in between people who were about 500 numbers junior to me. I had it fixed but nobody could come up with a good explanation about why it was changed. Now I randomly pull up the list to check it every once in a while.

 

[Hopeful]

One thing I've learned at AA is to ALWAYS keep an eye on your seniority number AND the people who are above and below you.

I had my seniority put back 8 months one year and didn't notice it until I was on the reserve list and saw my number was placed in between people who were about 500 numbers junior to me. I had it fixed but nobody could come up with a good explanation about why it was changed. Now I randomly pull up the list to check it every once in a while.

I don't blame you...One number off in seniority could mean a bid, shift, days off, vacation and even a layoff.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

<_< YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ENTITLEMENT BY TWA HANGARS ON, 100%/25%/2001? WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? IF THEY (HE) WOULD HAVE JUST STAPLED THE TWA FOLKS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST WE`D HAVE NO ISSUE,BUT NOOOOOO WE HAD TO PANDER TO THE EMPLOYEES OF AN AIRLINE WHO OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE STREET!!! TWA= THE WHINING ARSES

 

[Observer]

<_< YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ENTITLEMENT BY TWA HANGARS ON, 100%/25%/2001? WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? IF THEY (HE) WOULD HAVE JUST STAPLED THE TWA FOLKS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST WE`D HAVE NO ISSUE,BUT NOOOOOO WE HAD TO PANDER TO THE EMPLOYEES OF AN AIRLINE WHO OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE STREET!!! TWA= THE WHINING ARSES

Pandering ??? The history of seniority integration is long and sometimes with some results not to anyone's liking. The Kasher decisions are based on issues, sometimes grievances (Kasher 32) brought forward by the union, local 501 to be exact.

 

[Barfbag]

<_< YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ENTITLEMENT BY TWA HANGARS ON, 100%/25%/2001? WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?

That is, what happens when you have a real union ( the IAM), fighting for your future.