Who says he made an investigation? He only didn't address the timetable. the 100% Yellow Lanyard Error is in fact an error in the future. They will no longer have ASAP or ALPA protection. Now, that is the error. It should have been written "100% Yellow Lanyard Error to come."
U.S. Airways Plane Gets Stuck In Mud At Bradley
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Folks get this back on topic or it will be closed.
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There is an 800 number (USAPA AOSC Hotline 24/7 at 1-800-341-7176) with former ALPA/now USAPA volunteers to help if they need it.
ASAP always applies and NASA needs to be filed separately, as it has for the last five years.
and, ALPA protection? Now, there is an oxymoron.
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FYI-ASAP and FOQA programs temporarily in limbo until FAA approves program with USAPA.
ALWAYS important to file NASA within 10 days of incident. Only helps if unintentional transgression.
It would be interesting to know if a timely response was provided to the crew involved from the USAPA 800 number. (Hopefully they had it.)
Can you just move on Sharky? I mean with the ALPA bashing. You got what you wanted. ALPA's gone now so why look back.
In its infancy, USAPA now has a termination and an aircraft incident to handle. No one said it was going to be easy.
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ASAP is to be re-negotiated, doesn't the new CBA inherit all agreements, etc. and so on? Just a matter of putting the new name on the piece of paper, I expect.
Sorry to offend you with opinions (not all my own) about ALPA. It is the volunteers who do all the hard work. The overly compensated people at ALPA then reap the credit. Big whoop! If you want to know what I really think about ALPA, read the science-fiction "Foundation Trilogy". I would cast Prater as the "mule", which could be considered high praise.
and no one expected it to be easy. The termination issue is being handled by FFDOA, at least for the weapon part. It will be interesting to see how USAPA handles the aircraft incident. Since most of those directly interfacing with the incident are former ALPA volunteers, I would expect things will go as smooth as possible.
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>sniffle< Now, I'm gonna cry. This is SO upsetting.
One thing I have been wondering...an east idiot shoots an airplane or gets stuck in the mud, usapa is there. What if it happens to a west guy? Why would they protect us, the whole reason for there existence is to rearange the seniority list...wouldn't it be easier if we were just fired?
USAPA protects all pilots regardless of East or West. USAPA Safety was and is all over this "occurrence" (FAA decision) and had the pilot in touch with the legal staff and Safety Committee shortly after the "occurrence". Even though the pilot DID NOT get in touch with USAPA. USAPA got in touch with the pilot once they became aware of the "occurrence". The pilot is in good hands and will be happy to relay the entire USAPA experience once the process is complete. Whether anyone believes it or not is irrelevant to USAPA. We are protecting our pilot and will continue to do so regardless of East or West.
ASAP is temporarily suspended simply because it requires ONLY the signature of USAPA, the Company and the FAA on a new MOU. That MOU was sent to USAPA on Friday and is being reviewed by USAPA legal. My guess is that it will be signed on Monday and be back in effect that day. There are problems with ASAP and Delta has pulled out of the program. AMR is likely to do the same and USAPA in making certain our ASAP program is truly protecting our pilots, EAST AND WEST, which is why our legal staff is reviewing it before signing something that is inferior. And, folks, the ALPA signed ASAP was not as iron clad as you think. Ask the pilot who skinned an Airbus tail in LAX.
LOA 93: You show precisely the ignorance of many on the West side. Safety knows no politics. You need to find out why your ALPA West Safety folks have rebuffed USAPA Safety. It makes it more difficult for USAPA to logistically get the needed info and particulars to keep you under the safety umbrella. But USAPA will. With or without the help of fellow West pilots. If you'd like to volunteer to help us please get to our website and get in touch. We'd love to have you on the team.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.
ASAP is temporarily suspended simply because it requires ONLY the signature of USAPA, the Company and the FAA on a new MOU. That MOU was sent to USAPA on Friday and is being reviewed by USAPA legal. My guess is that it will be signed on Monday and be back in effect that day. There are problems with ASAP and Delta has pulled out of the program. AMR is likely to do the same and USAPA in making certain our ASAP program is truly protecting our pilots, EAST AND WEST, which is why our legal staff is reviewing it before signing something that is inferior. And, folks, the ALPA signed ASAP was not as iron clad as you think. Ask the pilot who skinned an Airbus tail in LAX.
LOA 93: You show precisely the ignorance of many on the West side. Safety knows no politics. You need to find out why your ALPA West Safety folks have rebuffed USAPA Safety. It makes it more difficult for USAPA to logistically get the needed info and particulars to keep you under the safety umbrella. But USAPA will. With or without the help of fellow West pilots. If you'd like to volunteer to help us please get to our website and get in touch. We'd love to have you on the team.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Why would the 'occurence' pilot not get ahold of usapa? That seems a little strange to me. After all even the most apathetic line pilot knows exactly who to get on the horn with when something like that happens. Did he not have faith in his new organization?
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Would an "apathetic pilot" get on the horn with anyone?
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Answer to the first question. If you are NOT members, as a lot of the Westies seem to indicate they intend, then you're right, probably nothing, other than negotiate your contract for the usual, manditory, "agency fee".
Answer to second question. Yes.
Oldiebutgoody,
Your answer to the second question should be retracted. USAPA was formed for one reason and one reason ONLY. To DO THE RIGHT THING in regards to caring for our Member Pilots. This is not about East and West. It is about replacing a self serving unconcerned organization (ALPA) that was serving itself at our expense. ALPA was replaced because they were NOT SERVING THE PILOTS.
Which pilots?? All pilots involved.
I predict, based on what I have observed, and I watch things carefully, that DOING WHAT IS RIGHT, will be the cornerstone of decisions made by USAPA leaders.
And that means SERVING AND PROTECTING ALL MEMBER PILOTS regardless of which company hired them.
My advice to any and all pilots is to GET INVOLVED with YOUR UNION. Have a part in the process and influence the progress.
Making this into a bigger war is not a valid use of time or energy. We will ALL have to contend with UAL's people in less than 6 months I expect. Hence NOW is the time to work out our differences.
Peace,
IW
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When he may be in trouble all of the sudden, yes. Apathy disappears fast then. Although several years ago going into LA a captain said to me "...got all your restrictions in there? I mean for you, my career is over...." I suppose that could be the case here, but who knows.
