Uair Pilot Pay

[usairways_vote_NO]

These numbers right?

Guarantee: 72 hrs/mo
[eff. 5/04]
YEAR
A330 75/76 A320 737 A330 75/76 A320 737
Capt Caot Capt Capt FO FO FO FO
12 $195 $176 $152 $152 $133 $120 $104 $104
11 $193 $174 $150 $150 $131 $119 $103 $103
10 $190 $172 $149 $149 $130 $117 $101 $101
9 $188 $170 $147 $147 $128 $115 $ 99 $ 99
8 $187 $169 $146 $146 $126 $114 $ 98 $ 98
7 $185 $167 $144 $144 $123 $111 $ 96 $ 96
6 $184 $166 $143 $143 $120 $108 $ 93 $ 93
5 $183 $165 $142 $142 $117 $106 $ 91 $ 91
4 $181 $163 $140 $140 $114 $103 $ 89 $ 89
3 $179 $162 $139 $139 $ 97 $ 87 $75 $ 75
2 $178 $161 $138 $138 $ 89 $ 80 $69 $ 69


A-plan = none
B-plan = none
401k match = none
profit sharing = none

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/

 

[jack mama]

comparing scales doesn't really do the trick...100 % of UAIR pilots are above 12 yr seniority for the A320...What is JBLU senority like? No one has more than a couple years.

I heard a rumor that the company want a 3 for 1 trade down in seniority...is that true. ie 15 years would be 5, etc

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

comparing scales doesn't really do the trick...100 % of UAIR pilots are above 12 yr seniority for the A320...What is JBLU senority like? No one has more than a couple years.

I heard a rumor that the company want a 3 for 1 trade down in seniority...is that true. ie 15 years would be 5, etc

3/1 tradedown sounds more then fair

 

[ktflyhome]

This was emailed to me: I am just going to type from my copy, exactly how I received it.

COMPANY'S PROPOSAL.

"Now keep in mind that this is only the Company's proposal. Negotiations haven't really begun yet!!"

"Well boys, get out the vaseline (the sandy variety) cause it is as expected, Amer West Contract only worse. Brief Synopsis: PILOTS: Company wants a $1.5billion reduction, $400mill to come directly from pilots. Company steals your sick leave if u have over 500 hours. 600 hour max sick bank; All narrow body a/c types pay the same rate..$137 an hour, 96 hour hard time (virtually hard time), f/o's rate approx $90 per hour. Reserve guarantee is around 77 per month. 757 ilots will take the worst hit. Reserve 757 capts to make $127K per yr. Duty rigs altered. Possiblitity of flying 5 days a week unless scheduling can get a handle on it. Furlough clase to be reopened. Retirement DC plane cirtually elimintated (to be reduced substantially). Augmented with 401K with 7% matching funds from company. Reduced medical benefits.

FLIGHT ATTENDANTS: F/A's to clean all planes. Pay rates adjusted downward to Amer West Scale. Retirement reduced. Medical reduced. NO 55,75,85 hr options. Unlimited duty day to FAR max.

RESERVATIONISTS: Furlough 680. Move remaining reservationists to INT.

TICKET AGENTS: Kiosks and ticket readers to cause layoffs in hubs. City Ticket Offices (all 11) to be closed. To be replaced by internet ticketing. Reduce ticket agent pay from $20 hr to $13 hr.

PILOT TRAINING: Close PIT TRNG CENTER incld the sim building. Move all trng to CLT. Selling one 737 sim, one A320 sim, buying multiple RJ sims to be located in CLT. 757 Sim to be relocated to CLT.

MECANICS: Fewer changes than the rest of the work force.. with the exception of possible outsourcing of some maintenance. Possibility of terminating CLT and PIT as major overhaul centers. But keeping PIT/CLT for other maintenance.

CLEANERS/UTILITY: Force cleaners/utility to become "joint use cleaners and rampers" under the same job title.

MDA FLYING: To increase. Possiblity of selling B-373's to be replaced with mainline flown big RJ's. LOA#91: Allows Uair to sell MDA, PSA, Allegheny, Henson, and future Canadair CRJ positions if needed to finance possible addition of 29 Airbuses of all sizes if load factor dictates.

More details to follow." End of quote from an email sent to me.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Excellent post KT, rumors or good source?

Usairways_vote_NO

 

[ktflyhome]

As I said, this was emailed to me and I am not going to reveal the source. I will say that the email was sent to quite a few people though.

 

[javaboy]

to be completely fair PROFIT SHARING same as LCC and Granting Options (not buying them) also must occur for total compensation to be equal.


food for thought some of those LCCs that are proudly displayed as look how low these hourly rates are seem to leave off conveniently other compensation that raises their total overall compensation per year.

and yes it is significant


h34r:

 

[vc10]

Can't help but notice that Javaboy didn't say "no"---he said "to be completely fair, give me equity as well..."

Grief has four stages. 1) denial 2) anger 3) sorrow 4) acceptance. We getting to stages 3 and 4 yet?

 

[javaboy]

profitablity has 2 stages
red and black

for clarification i was merely pointing out that in it's presentation; while emphsizing hourly rates and years of service it was neglected to also include time and 1/2 pay, profit sharing, and equity disbursement all of which makes the yearly compensation much higher than portrayed ....and if they can't get those numbers right what other numbers are as misleading

 

[LaBradford22]

I think javaboy gets to the solution - exactly what needs to happen at USAir. Employees will have to give up guaranteed pay (i.e. reduced hourly wage rates) in exchange for variable compensation items which are contingent upon the company being profitable (profit sharing, stock options, incentive plans, etc). This is really the only way that, at the end of the day, the company can get what it wants (lower costs to compete with LCC's) and employees can get what they want (the prospect of higher total compensation down the road if things turn around) - albeit maybe not in the form that they would like.