(UAW)..A "good ol' fashion STRIKE"

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The UAW is playing this STRIKE very wisely.

NO drawn out "get NO where" talks/BS !

They WALKED, AND they walked for THE BEST REASON......................"JOB SECURITY"

Do you think Ford and Chrysler are watching this one CLOSELY ??


Anyone think the FUUKING Twu has a CLUE, as to what the UAW are doing...and WHY there doing it ???

 

[skydrol]

The ony thing the TWU can do is make a snake shirt. When they made up article 33 in the 1980 agreement i believe? no strike no lockout they decided to survive as a corporation and represent the upper echelon of the international so they can live like rockstars and have a office by Lettermans studio. The only time they can call a strike is when released by the national mediation board which equates to falling on your sword. Giving up the right to call a strike was the worst thing they could of done to the membership. I can only hope this new "untraditional compensation" screws enough fence sitters to get them to see the light.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Agreed, skydrol !!

Who'd have "thunk it", that (for the AMTS ONLY)(Fleet service is stuck with the twu FOREVER), that it "MAY" be my ol' friends in TUL, that as you say, Finally "GROW A PAIR", and vote those MF's out !!

 

[eolesen]

The reason that the UAW walked is because they had no other option. They've already lost the war -- half their jobs are gone, and there will be more to follow.

Between $1500 and $2000 of every car sold by GM goes to pay health care costs for employees and retirees. As long as the UAW contract continues to allows assembly line workers to retire after 30 years with full paid medical benefits, I wouldn't rule out a bankruptcy filing in order to clean up the mess created by now having at least two retirees for every one active GM worker (if it isn't already three to one). If they do wind up declaring bankruptcy, the retirees wind up being really screwed, since far too many of them are too young for Medicare to take over as their primary insurance, and they won't be eligible for PBGC benefits until they're 62, thus killing their income if they aren't working a second career.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The reason that the UAW walked is because they had no other option. They've already lost the war -- half their jobs are gone, and there will be more to follow.

Between $1500 and $2000 of every car sold by GM goes to pay health care costs for employees and retirees. As long as the UAW contract continues to allows assembly line workers to retire after 30 years with full paid medical benefits, I wouldn't rule out a bankruptcy filing in order to clean up the mess created by now having at least two retirees for every one active GM worker (if it isn't already three to one). If they do wind up declaring bankruptcy, the retirees wind up being really screwed, since far too many of them are too young for Medicare to take over as their primary insurance, and they won't be eligible for PBGC benefits until they're 62, thus killing their income if they aren't working a second career.

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well well...."E", looks like GM has NO stomach for a long drawn out strike.

"Tentative" already reached !!

OK Ford/Chrysler................"get it $$$ up"

 

[eolesen]

Bears, who really had no stomach?...

There were essentially two things that GM wanted from the UAW --- moving retiree health care obligations to a VEBA, and creating a B scale. The tentative agreement includes both of these.

The walkout seemed to be pointless, aside from letting the members blow off some steam. The main sticking point leading into the strike seemed to be the amount that GM would have to seed the VEBA with. Last week, it was estimated that the VEBA seed money would be just over $31B. The TA has it at $35B. So, they struck essentially struck over more 7% more seed money for offloading the retiree health care obligations?

This one is far from over. As more members learn about what the VEBA means and how it failed at Detroit Diesel and Cat, ratification is going to be a tough sell for the UAW leadership.

Perhaps Bob Owens' other thread should be titled how the UAW is emulating the TWU...

 

[Hopeful]

The reason that the UAW walked is because they had no other option. They've already lost the war -- half their jobs are gone, and there will be more to follow.

Between $1500 and $2000 of every car sold by GM goes to pay health care costs for employees and retirees. As long as the UAW contract continues to allows assembly line workers to retire after 30 years with full paid medical benefits, I wouldn't rule out a bankruptcy filing in order to clean up the mess created by now having at least two retirees for every one active GM worker (if it isn't already three to one). If they do wind up declaring bankruptcy, the retirees wind up being really screwed, since far too many of them are too young for Medicare to take over as their primary insurance, and they won't be eligible for PBGC benefits until they're 62, thus killing their income if they aren't working a second career.

This sounds like a veiled accusation that the big automakers' woes were caused by the UAW and the UAW alone.. In this forum you blame the TWU for not doing right by us in negotiations and here you have a union that at least has balls to do something..
Seems there is no winning with you..
It seems that the automakers want the Japanese cost structure and productivity only for the assembly line worker but they are not willing to compensate the top management like the Japanese do.

 

[eolesen]

No, both sides are to blame for what's happened with the UAW. The issue on retiree health care obligations should have been dealt with ten years ago (which is exactly what Cat did -- their VEBA was established in the 1998 contract). Instead, they kept ignoring the elephant in the corner and the ever growing mound of elephant dung...