Union or Non Union

[Kev3188]

At will employement is a contract.

No it's not.

And like every contract there is an assumption of good will on both parts.

The "assumption of good will" does not exist at NWA. Period.

 

[jimntx]

As a general rule, an employer will document carefully the reasons for firing an at will employee; simply because we have become such a "sue-happy" society. "How dare you fire me just because I called my boss an M-F'er! I'm gonna sue!"

However, there is no requirement that be done. If you are at "at will" employee, they can fire you because they don't like the way you part your hair. At will means just that...and, it ain't your will, it's theirs.

One of the major advantages to documentation is that if it is a "with cause" firing, an employer can save on their Unemployment Insurance rates by having the reasons documented. When the terminated person applies for Unemployment, they are supposed to be deemed not eligible to draw benefits if there were clear cut, legal reasons for the termination--drunk on the job, repeated absenteeism/tardiness, etc.

 

[Come Fly with Me]

As a general rule, an employer will document carefully the reasons for firing an at will employee; simply because we have become such a "sue-happy" society. "How dare you fire me just because I called my boss an M-F'er! I'm gonna sue!"

However, there is no requirement that be done. If you are at "at will" employee, they can fire you because they don't like the way you part your hair. At will means just that...and, it ain't your will, it's theirs.

One of the major advantages to documentation is that if it is a "with cause" firing, an employer can save on their Unemployment Insurance rates by having the reasons documented. When the terminated person applies for Unemployment, they are supposed to be deemed not eligible to draw benefits if there were clear cut, legal reasons for the termination--drunk on the job, repeated absenteeism/tardiness, etc.

The way things are done at Delta which is going to be your new employer. They simply suspend you for up to 2 months without pay. Hoping that you just quit or resign so they don't have to use their unemployment insurance. I have a friend involved in a aircraft damage two days before Christmas and he is still suspended. That's why I know how bad things are at Delta. So please Vote Union it will put things at a level playing field here at Delta.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The way things are done at Delta which is going to be your new employer. They simply suspend you for up to 2 months without pay. Hoping that you just quit or resign so they don't have to use their unemployment insurance. I have a friend involved in a aircraft damage two days before Christmas and he is still suspended. That's why I know how bad things are at Delta. So please Vote Union it will put things at a level playing field here at Delta.

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"CFWM"

Keep your "head down"
"Keep firing"

HELP is(soon) on the way !!

 

[southwind]

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"wrench"

You've MISSED one HUGE point !!

Once a person is NON-UNION, they've become an "employee-at-will"

If any company FIRES you, there is NOT a Lawyer , or state labor board ALIVE, that can OVERTURN an E A W Firing !!!!!!!!!!!!

Even The CRAPPIEST Union(like my former TWU), CAN be SUED.

A razor sharp employee(records/pictures/witness's) coupled with a Cracker Jack Labor Lawyer, can bring a Union to 'it's Knees" $$$$

But in those cases, it Rarely ever get's to that point.

Once the CRAPPY UNION realizes that the FIRED Employee has the "ammunition" mentioned above, they do the MOST COMMON thing, which is,.....since they're probably in bed with the company,......."they" and the Company......MAKE A DEAL !!

Presto,..................Fired Employe...is...rehired,..............and,............If his lawyer is "tip top' , he won't lose a dime, or one second of Occ/CO. seniority !!!


CRAP like I outlined above, happens at AA every week !!!!!!!!!!!

Wow ! Had that same exact scenario play out at Delta recentely...........except it all took place "WITHOUT" the aid of a union !

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Wow ! Had that same exact scenario play out at Delta recentely...........except it all took place "WITHOUT" the aid of a union !

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(Seriously) ..southwind;

I'm GLAD things worked out(as you outlined above) !

NOW,

Just think, ...In a relatively short period of Time, You'll have the IAM..around to do it for you !!

 

[brokenwrench]

The IAM!
NHBB, I am hoping that was sarcasm.

 

[Kev3188]

Southwind--

I'm still waiting for specific reasons why I'd be better off non-union. I'd especially like to know why you think it's a good thing for me to:

Lose 2 weeks of vacation

Lose my sick/OJI time (currently we have no cap on either of them)

Lose my ability to exercise my seniority in the event of layoff

Lose the ability to work in 40 locations instead of just 15

Lose my grievance procedure(s)

Lose the rules governing FT & PT

Lose the rules governing seniority



Please feel free to post 'em here, or in this thread.

 

[bagboy]

The IAM!
NHBB, I am hoping that was sarcasm.

We could all hope for someone like the AMFA to come in and save the day. Maybe they could throw me under the bus this time.