Reports Are That Dl And Nw Will Merge

[DalMD88]

I the US stage IV only applies to new aircraft. NW can keep flying the DC-9 as long as they deem fit. The DC-9 and the MD-88 also share a lot of parts. The biggest differance is the cockpit instruments. So IF they were to merge I'll bet both keep flying until either new 737-NG or Airbus A320 deliveries can begin. At that point the one not taken would be dumped with the MD products. I bet the 767 would stick around until the 787 comes on line. I would bet the 777 and larger Airbus would be sold and the 747 be kept for the Asian markets.

 

[eolesen]

Sorry, guys, but go read the NWA docket. They've already indicated about 30 of the 72 aircraft in the 757 fleet as being targeted for lease rejection. Also, several of the 742's are also targeted, leaving only one or two passenger -200's.

None of the freighters are on the reject list.


First Day Motions and then select #17.

 

[markkus757]

Anything that had to be hushkitted to meet stage three, as far as I know, has to be parked. I thought the rule for original stage three was allowed though.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Legally, DL and NW have to go through bankruptcy separately with no intention of merger. Only if it is determined that one or the other cannot emerge successfully on their own can they entertain a merger - which is exactly why US is merging in order to get out of bankruptcy. Assuming both DL and NW can show that they can reorganize and emerge as independent airlines, in order for them to merge, they have to show the court and both creditors committees have to agree that all creditors interests are at least as good with a merger as they would have been in a standalone operation.

There are some advantages to merging as part of the plan of reorganizaton - primarily around right sizing each airline to become a good partner. Many aircraft and facilities are not needed if they are to merge fairly quickly. But again, they have to convince the court and both sets of creditors that either one of them cannot emerge on its own or that the merger will give them at least as good of protection as they would have received if the airlines had emerged separately.

Bankruptcy experts pretty well say that airlines of the size of the legacy carriers need to take 18-24 months to get through the bankruptcy process if they plan of doing what has to be done to remain viable. As such, there will not likely be any decisions about mergers for probably a year at the earliest and then only with significant input from both sets of creditors. There is not alot of commonality between DL and NW's creditors - partially a reflection of the differences in their fleets.

The problem with NW's older aircraft is not noise but fuel economy. The DC-9 and DC-10 are at least 1.5 cents per ASM more expensive to operate than comparable current or even previous generation (MD-88/717) aircraft. NW will simply not be able to continue to operate aircraft with that kind of fuel penalty because other carriers will be able to reduce every other cost element to levels comparable with NW.

 

[High Iron]

The key to NW merging with anybody would be them parking all of their DC-9s prior to stage 4 noise being implemented in a few years. No airline would want that burden on them. NW has made it work, but i think that will change over the long-term without more mechanics(notice I didn't say they needed AMFA back). I will predict right now that the mergers you see in the next 12 -18 months will be DL/CO and the new US/NW. They make the most sense. The other big kicker besides lack of fleet commonality, would be the DOT rejecting anti-trust immunity between NW and DL. Skyteam wants DL, not NW. This is a big growth area because of the lack of a LCC internationally flying right now. Give it some time, but I think the trigger will be what NW does with their DC-9s.

[post="301821"][/post]​

NW has made it work, but i think that will change over the long-term without more mechanics(notice I didn't say they needed AMFA back)

Buried within an ostensibly clinical post, you just had to get a shiv in there, didn't you. Jerk. :down:

 

[MCI transplant]

I don't know what would be the right or wrong choice as far as strategy goes or legality. I just don't care for Northwest.

[post="301729"][/post]​

<_< OH MY!!! Why don't you just quit????? 😛

 

[MCI transplant]

if there is a merger between the two some a/c will literally go away. i can't see these two carriers merging with so many different types of a/c . i guess just keep the a/c that both airlines have. 757 and md-80.
  for a long haul jet keep it boeing . 747 and the 767. drop all the airbuses the dc-9's heck drop the md-80's as well and keep the 737-800's. so the fleet will look like this  747-400/767-300-400's/757-200-300's/737-800.  what do you think.

[post="301766"][/post]​

<_< I think, you forgot one type of aircraft! ---------- The 777's!!!

 

[Saturdaynite]

I hope it is Delta. I don't know how that is determined though. I got slammed for matching Delta and Northwest on these boards and what do you know? You union die-hards better start paying attention.

[post="301562"][/post]​

bto/pto,

You claim to be the first to "match DAL/ NWA ? , You were at least 5 years late !. That talk has been around for quite awhile.
But you were probably busy scabbing elsewhere.

And, as a reminder, The NW name will most likely prevail, as has been discussed as well, due to Freedom.
Now go crawl back under your rock in your black hole.

SN

 

[PlayTheOdds]

That may be so but there are still a lot of guys in here that jumped on me when I made the suggestion. These guys have no clue as how to put current events together and try to make a prediction for the future. If you will notice anyone that does so is a fool then when it comes too pass they talk about it like they knew it would happen all along. The only thing most of these people are certain of is what their unions tell them. They do not have the ability to process an idea without asking the union first.

 

[Emil.Howes]

That may be so but there are still a lot of guys in here that jumped on me when I made the suggestion. These guys have no clue as how to put current events together and try to make a prediction for the future. If you will notice anyone that does so is a fool then when it comes too pass they talk about it like they knew it would happen all along. The only thing most of these people are certain of is what their unions tell them. They do not have the ability to process an idea without asking the union first.

[post="302319"][/post]​

Please do not tell us you build toy boats as well.
Most of us could not take it!
-BigE

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I don't get it.

I know this is a stupid request but do you think you could dump the picture? Or at least use a different picture on a daily basis? That one is old and boring. I'm still waiting to see my picture.

 

[chasbatl]

I don't get it.

I know this is a stupid request but do you think you could dump the picture? Or at least use a different picture on a daily basis? That one is old and boring. I'm still waiting to see my picture.

[post="302328"][/post]​

Im still waiting for you to tell us your name PTO. Or are you scared? I've proven who i am but somehow i dont think you have the balls to do likewise. We all know SCUM like you dont have any balls thats why you hide your face and let goons protect you.

 

[Emil.Howes]

I don't get it.

I know this is a stupid request but do you think you could dump the picture? Or at least use a different picture on a daily basis? That one is old and boring. I'm still waiting to see my picture.

[post="302328"][/post]​

Send your pic to:

emilhowes@emilhowes.com

If I can verify your name and address, I'll post it.

-BigE

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Where are your balls? I work your job every day and cash your paycheck every week. You’re such a tough guy come and take your job back from me. Oh yea I forgot you are a scared little man with out your union.


Big E actually made a funny that was funny.

 

[chasbatl]

Where are your balls? I work your job every day and cash your paycheck every week. You’re such a tough guy come and take your job back from me. Oh yea I forgot you are a scared little man with out your union.
Big E actually made a funny that was funny.

[post="302339"][/post]​

You not cashing my paycheck SCUM, Why would i want to be a SCAB scum like you? Like ive said in all my other posts, continue to hide like the wuss you are. You can try and talk like your so cool but remember your nothing more then SCUM no matter what you may think. If im so scared why did i post my name? You the one hiding behind an alias and having goons protect you. For gods sake man try and grow a set and actually be a man one day. You cant live your whole life being a pussy can you? Wait dont answer that we all know you can.