USA320Pilot
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Us Airways Fear February Liquidation
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That is not true, and rather hypocritical sounding.
Being as "US Airways Flight Attendants" already work below at what the company is asking (from the remainder of mainline F/A's). Wages and rules Airways AFA negotiated for their own members displaced to MDA...
"None of us..."
Whatever <_<
I seriously believe Bronner and Lakefield want the company to liquidate rather than succeed! Every other day there is talk of liquidation and if I were a passenger booking a trip I would steer away from booking on U. Now with this latest talk they are affecting the spring bookings!!!! :huh:
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Rico said:
Not true??????
Again, NONE OF US CAN AFFORD THAT MAGNITUDE OF A PAY CUT. $27,000 is the proposed average. $21,000 is a 6 year reserve in the LTO system.
Check Jet Blue 6 year f/as who received time and half for hours flown over 70. The company is proposing 80 - 100 hours min. to fly NO TIME AND HALF.
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Even a disgruntled former employee, I've always flown US Airways revenue from my home down south up to New England to visit my family for the holidays. Their service was competively priced (actually, usually cheaper than Southwest) and they had the frequency of service I liked.
However, as I shop for tickets this year, I hate to give up the dividend miles, but the LAST thing I want is US Airways crash and burning on me a week before thanksgiving, leaving me SOL with absolutely no excursion fares left on anyone else.
If US Airways could some how guarantee their passengers passage in the event they failed, then maybe people might actually book their tickets on US Airways. At least if they knew they were dropping dead in a few weeks, stop taking reservations and have a planned shut down, versus the employees and pax showing up in the morning to repo'd airplanes and a failed airline.
However, an "orderly" pre-announced shut down would probably result in all the rats running off the ship and few employees left to handle the mahem.
Then again, in the event that you hear that the company is DOA, then wouldn't it be hilarious if absolutely no employees showed up to meet the last flight? US Airways flight into oblivion, PIT-PHL, arrives in PHL to an empty concourse, no ramp employees, no jetway drivers, no baggage handlers and no one to complain to. Hmmm....maybe those happily paid pilots could do some bag smasher work as their final hours at US Airways ticks away. USAir begins with U and ends with us saying f---- u. 🙂
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Without new labor accords, ALPA's legal advisors and attorney's are 100% certain the bankruptcy court will order the 23% pay cuts, which could become permanent cuts.
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USA320Pilot
Regards,
USA320Pilot
We all know legal advisors and attorney's are correct 100% of the time...... 😱 And I seem to remember Siegel&Co saying just help us out this one time and we will make it.... i believe that was two times ago. This place is history no matter how much the employee's give!!!!!! 320 look into your crystal ball and see what transpired at EAL, Braniff, TWA, ect,ect. The employee's all gave more than once and you see where they are!!!!! 100% yea right.....................
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PITbull said:
Still not as bad as MDA, which again, was voted for and approved by the very same F/As now facing more concessions (but again-not as bad as MDA). Apparently bad contracts are OK for some, but not all.
Rico is an MDA pilot.
PitBull...
Either the hard working Flight Attendants of MDA are
a.) Full dues paying members of your AFA union, or
b.) They are not
Which is it, are the MDA Flight Attendants part of your union or not...?
Because IF they are, then obviously SOME of your flight attendants CAN work for that amount. So what was said was untrue, and IMO a bit unfair towards your people at MDA.
It just sounds awful high and mighty to say that you "cannot do so and so" when some of your very own people have had to "do so" already. :angry:
Either the hard working Flight Attendants of MDA are
a.) Full dues paying members of your AFA union, or
b.) They are not
Which is it, are the MDA Flight Attendants part of your union or not...?
Because IF they are, then obviously SOME of your flight attendants CAN work for that amount. So what was said was untrue, and IMO a bit unfair towards your people at MDA.
It just sounds awful high and mighty to say that you "cannot do so and so" when some of your very own people have had to "do so" already. :angry:
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Light Years said:
Light Years,
The f/as voted in a proposal with the LTO Reserve system that is killing them now, and American Eagle (wages/workrules/benefits), under liquidation threat.
It was called "capitulation".
The company threatened liquidation during BK #1, including MAA.
The cost savings received from Mainline, gave birth to MAA.
What was negotiated for our group was jobs for furloughees if they chose. The company wanted to hire off the street, and have the furloughees reapply.
Just as some f/as complain to agree to what the company demands, damn the unions if they do, and dman them if they don't.
Today, liquidation threat is before the judge. Labor will capitulate at the end of the day...but it will not save USAirways Group. We have "no plan". Fuel prices will rise to over $50 a barrel, and that will finsih off U and many other wirlines will be affected, as well.
No airline has hedged fuel at locked low prices to infinity, and the $199 ticket price will not continue to infinity.
PS: It is not MY AFA union. Flight attendants who don't want to pay union dues and feel that unions have no use to them can:
a) Become Ellis Objectors, $6 a month and no vote priviledge or representation.
Decertify at MAA and the contract goes away.
Their are always options if folks believe by majority there is no use.
I know for a fact, there are many items that AFA resolved during negotiations that enhanced the MAA agreement. Bruce Ashby had told AFA that if there was a BK filing, MAA contract would not be affected.
And MAA will receive the "snap back" raises going forward that they would have received on "mainline".
Mainline will not.
I know intimately that the uniform allowances that MAA wil receive was in exchange for mainline adopting the "point system" for uniforms. No Regional carrier has "holding pay". That was very difficult to negotiate, being that "workrules" could not be negotiated according to the company in winter 2002.
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USA320Pilot said:
320,
February Liquidation...
This is the second thread you have started with this title and the fourth thread that you have attempted to highlight this point. Please report yourself to the moderator so he can merge your bandwidth into one thread!
Respectfully,
Phoenix
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Look PB,
We all are a little frazzeled lately. None of this is any fun for anyone. I just get upset if I percieve a slight against (on purpose or without malice) the people I work with. And like I said it, seemed a little rude to those who were already working hard under the pay and conditions that Mr. Hayes said quote: "none of us" could accept. ("us" obviously not including the MDA F/A's )
It is just that I had listened to news report about (yet) another record high being set for Oil prices, and that sort of thing upsets me. Some might give a damn if this place lives or dies, but I really would like to see it first survive, and then succeed. And it is just my sincire hope that a workable agreement can be reached between all the remaining work groups, AFA included.
But, I have to have faith that AFA will do what AFA can, and hopefully in the long run it will have been worth it.
If the MDA flight attendants are happy enough with the representation of and effort that they are getting from AFA, then that is more than good enough for me. They deserve whatever can be done for them.
Peace B)
Look PB,
We all are a little frazzeled lately. None of this is any fun for anyone. I just get upset if I percieve a slight against (on purpose or without malice) the people I work with. And like I said it, seemed a little rude to those who were already working hard under the pay and conditions that Mr. Hayes said quote: "none of us" could accept. ("us" obviously not including the MDA F/A's )
It is just that I had listened to news report about (yet) another record high being set for Oil prices, and that sort of thing upsets me. Some might give a damn if this place lives or dies, but I really would like to see it first survive, and then succeed. And it is just my sincire hope that a workable agreement can be reached between all the remaining work groups, AFA included.
But, I have to have faith that AFA will do what AFA can, and hopefully in the long run it will have been worth it.
If the MDA flight attendants are happy enough with the representation of and effort that they are getting from AFA, then that is more than good enough for me. They deserve whatever can be done for them.
Peace B)
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Rico,
All I can tell you is that AFA will continue to negotiate.
I personally don't believe we are in an arena to negotiate. I believe the unions can only defend themselves, and prepare the arguments for the judge.
I understand your feelings on MAA. But, for mainline...company expects our cost savings to subsidize the growth of MAA.
We did that in concession #1 and #2. My personal focus can't be to impoverish all the f/as on mainline to help deliver planes to MAA that only RAISES OUR CASM, OVERALL.
As a f/a for mainline, the company is trying to lower our CASMs in order to compete, however MAA very nature of short-haul flying and less capacity raises our CASMS substantially. Lakefield himself even acknowledged this simple truth.
Besides MAA, all the wholly owns have gotten beaten up in concession #1 and #2.
There is just no where for the company to save on the wholly owns and MAA contracts.
Mainline is and will continue to be targeted.
We will continue at the table, do the best we can...then, put it out for a vote.
All I can tell you is that AFA will continue to negotiate.
I personally don't believe we are in an arena to negotiate. I believe the unions can only defend themselves, and prepare the arguments for the judge.
I understand your feelings on MAA. But, for mainline...company expects our cost savings to subsidize the growth of MAA.
We did that in concession #1 and #2. My personal focus can't be to impoverish all the f/as on mainline to help deliver planes to MAA that only RAISES OUR CASM, OVERALL.
As a f/a for mainline, the company is trying to lower our CASMs in order to compete, however MAA very nature of short-haul flying and less capacity raises our CASMS substantially. Lakefield himself even acknowledged this simple truth.
Besides MAA, all the wholly owns have gotten beaten up in concession #1 and #2.
There is just no where for the company to save on the wholly owns and MAA contracts.
Mainline is and will continue to be targeted.
We will continue at the table, do the best we can...then, put it out for a vote.
stop and take a breath......funny how i recently read in the printed media U wants to emerge from BK in March 2005.....wow...kinda early like last time ,eh' brucie???
funny how they need this relief to survive untill february,eh??
ever stop and think this giveback will fund the exit financing ?
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Just a stupid question here...how can you quote pay for a 6 yr. Jet Blue F/A when the airline has only been in existence about 4 years?
P.S. I will be on that last flight PIT-PHL........
My best to you all....
P.S. I will be on that last flight PIT-PHL........
My best to you all....
