US Flight 707

[Travelpro72]

I'm not a pilot and don't really know the particulars but could it have something to do with the fuel loaded? I was on a 757 trip and one of the most senior captains we have said that he is always calling to order more fuel. They are not giving enough fuel to hold for long periods. We were in florida about two weeks ago and the big storm was brewing all over the coast. Crews were diverted to other airports in florida due to the inability to hold for a long period. He said they wanna give you enough fuel to barely get there. He said also it's easy for them when they are not the ones sweating it out looking at the fuel gauge. So could it have something to do with average winds but not enough fuel?

 

[PHL]

US flew from the East coast to LAX, SAN, SFO and SEA all with 737-300LRs it had plenty of fuel to make it.

You sure about that? I can't recall ever when US flew PHL-LAX nonstop with 737 equipment.

I thought those stopped in LAS or PIT. Anyone have timetables from back then?

 

[700UW]

US flew from PIT, PHL, CLT, and TPA to the west coast non-stop.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Funny thing is they did not make fuel stops as they had extra fuel tanks put in, that is why they were # with 500 tail numbers to differentiate from the regular 737-300 and 737-300LR, which also had higher rated thrust engines in their software programing.

Just like the 737-400s had TVs and extra fuel tanks in the 700# serious and used them for west coast and island flights when US first started flying to NAS and GCM.

They flew from BWI to LAX and SFO, but not from PHL. THey had flights to PHL but not from. It was always the 757 westbound from PHL, I think the red-eyes from LAX to PHL was the 737.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Someone with better memory can correct me, but I think it was '92 when they announced that all flights to the west coast were flown with Stage III aircraft - they were parking the 727's and used only 737's.

Jim

 

[Mtnman928]

Someone with better memory can correct me, but I think it was '92 when they announced that all flights to the west coast were flown with Stage III aircraft - they were parking the 727's and used only 737's.

Jim

A check of the log book shows a flight 8641 SWF-LAS in Jan. 94 (flight time of 6.3 hours) and two PIT SAN trips in May. 94 (flight time 4.9 & 5.2) Aircraft #N532US SWF-LAS and #N585US & #N517US PIT-SAN. 737-300's all.

I remember them being extremely long flights.

Mtnman

 

[BuffaloJoe]

A check of the log book shows a flight 8641 SWF-LAS in Jan. 94 (flight time of 6.3 hours) and two PIT SAN trips in May. 94 (flight time 4.9 & 5.2) Aircraft #N532US SWF-LAS and #N585US & #N517US PIT-SAN. 737-300's all.

I remember them being extremely long flights.

Mtnman

Did you have to go slower to make it without a ground stop? 6.3 Hours on a 733 is an aweful long time. I did PHL-LAS but never nothing further Westbound on a 733. Eastbound I flew LAX-PHL on a 733. Back in the mid-90's, was PHL delay prone as it is now?

 

[soc-hpjester]

The problem is the 320 holds the same amount of fuel as a 319. But due to the addl. mtow of the 320 there is an increased burn across the country so add in a little wind and you just can't make it without bumping pax down to the 319 pax load in the first place. Throw in an a-1 eng. and a far away alt. due to PHL wx (like BDL) and your really hurting.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

US707 is Back at it again tonight, its on it way to San Francisco with a stop in St. Louis tonight! :down:

 

[BuffaloJoe]

US 707 Just landed in St. Louis. Must be the Arch they are giving tours to.

 

[soc-hpjester]

No wind, must be wx at sfo.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

No wind, must be wx at sfo.

This is the 5th time in 6 days it had to stop. The other 4 times were in Kansas City. All these are A320's, yesterday made it nonstop and it was a A321.

SFO 58f Scattered Clouds

 

[soc-hpjester]

Too much weight.
Not enough fuel.
Too long a distance.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

Too much weight.
Not enough fuel.
Too long a distance.

US939 and 965 made it nonstop today. Its just this flight that has to stop every night. No other flights except 707.

 

[soc-hpjester]

must be due to the arrival time into SFO, the early ones got in and 707 had to stop because the frcst got worse for sfo and a alt. had to be added. Do you guys still run a-1's on the 320's ?