Usairways To Expand To Lima, Peru ?

[LGA / 037]

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Similarly, language barriers are another reason a hub in LIM won't work for Airways -- there's an expectation that the crews will be fluent in Spanish, not just Spanglish. Unless the AFA contract allows US to start hiring foreign nationals, as Panagra, Braniff, and Eastern did, and as AA still does to a very small degree, there's no way this would work.

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According to my Flt Attendant contact whom flies for AMR. The LIM based flight attendants are from an outside vendor. That is part of the stipulation for allowing AMR to fly there as well as the other Latin American countries. Only a limited number of flights can be AMR crews .

 

[700UW]

I guess your contact is wrong, AA has 4 foriegn crew bases staffed with their own employees.

Go check out this thread:

AA Crew Bases

 

[Trip Confirmed]

Good Lord.

USAIRWAYS can't even get passengers,baggage , or service right in Pennsylvania.

PERU?


This sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit.

 

[a320av8r]

Good Lord.

USAIRWAYS can't even get passengers,baggage , or service right in Pennsylvania.

PERU?
This sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit.

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It is easier to work with Peruvians than Pennsylvanians.

 

[Trip Confirmed]

It is easier to work with Peruvians than Pennsylvanians.

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Could be, LOL, but there's one little problem.

The numbers of tourists to Peru are skinny.

And as one who books probably two dozen business travelers to South and Central America daily, I can't REMEMBER the last time I had one who even CONNECTED through Lima.


And if anyone can name a pax of mine who had Peru as a destination in the last 10 months, I'll buy you lunch.

PERU????

What is your management thinking?

 

[JFK777]

I find it fascinating how much do about perhaps one flight to Lima has been made of on this board.

 

[jimntx]

According to my Flt Attendant contact whom flies for AMR. The LIM based flight attendants are from an outside vendor. That is part of the stipulation for allowing AMR to fly there as well as the other Latin American countries. Only a limited number of flights can be AMR crews .

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Leave it to an AA flight attendant to skew the facts to their own personal viewpoint. The Foreign nationals are AA employees, not contract labor. They are paid less than AA f/as in the U.S., and they have no seniority rights in the U.S.

Hiring them was a requirement for getting landing rights in the countries where they are used. There are a number of AA f/as who whine that the FNs are taking jobs away from our International f/as. The truth is that without the FNs we wouldn't have the flights to those countries; so, no jobs are being "taken away."

They can fly only from their home country to MIA. They can not fly beyond MIA to any U.S. destination. I may be wrong, but I think they can fly from MIA to Central and South American destinations other than their home base. For instance, a sequence might be LIM-MIA-PTY-LIM. (But, don't bet the rent money on this. I just don't know enough about International ops.)

 

[UseYourHead]

US Airways will probably end up doing the same....

Leave it to an AA flight attendant to skew the facts to their own personal viewpoint. The Foreign nationals are AA employees, not contract labor. They are paid less than AA f/as in the U.S., and they have no seniority rights in the U.S.

Hiring them was a requirement for getting landing rights in the countries where they are used. There are a number of AA f/as who whine that the FNs are taking jobs away from our International f/as. The truth is that without the FNs we wouldn't have the flights to those countries; so, no jobs are being "taken away."

They can fly only from their home country to MIA. They can not fly beyond MIA to any U.S. destination. I may be wrong, but I think they can fly from MIA to Central and South American destinations other than their home base. For instance, a sequence might be LIM-MIA-PTY-LIM. (But, don't bet the rent money on this. I just don't know enough about International ops.)

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[gso-crew]

Airlines say Lima airport costs too high to fly
Wed Feb 23, 2005 05:38 PM ET
LIMA, Peru, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Airlines operating in Peru, including Air France (AIRF.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) , American Airlines (AMR.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Chile's LAN (LAN.SN: Quote, Profile, Research) (LFL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , on Wednesday asked the government to review the Lima airport concession because airport charges are so high it was not profitable to operate out of Lima.

---------> http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompa...23644427_newsml

 

[BoeingBoy]

Heck, US will probably set up a "Premier Southern Hemisphere Hub" there for that reason alone....though having lots of air traffic delays would be a plus.

Jim

 

[FA Mikey]

Leave it to an AA flight attendant to skew the facts to their own personal viewpoint. The Foreign nationals are AA employees, not contract labor. They are paid less than AA f/as in the U.S., and they have no seniority rights in the U.S.

Hiring them was a requirement for getting landing rights in the countries where they are used. There are a number of AA f/as who whine that the FNs are taking jobs away from our International f/as. The truth is that without the FNs we wouldn't have the flights to those countries; so, no jobs are being "taken away."

They can fly only from their home country to MIA. They can not fly beyond MIA to any U.S. destination. I may be wrong, but I think they can fly from MIA to Central and South American destinations other than their home base. For instance, a sequence might be LIM-MIA-PTY-LIM. (But, don't bet the rent money on this. I just don't know enough about International ops.)

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They only government requirement was from Argentina. AA took on 331 EAL foreign based nationals. AA had no requirement to go beyond that number. EAL was in the process of closing up and not replacing the FN's at the end before AA bought the route system.

In this day and age I wonder how long the US would allow a country like Peru or Argentina to restrict landing rights on the basis of hiring local people to staff there cabin crews.

I am sure it was a great thing for government officials of these third world countries to offer there wives and mistresses. A job as a stewardess, when it was the hottest thing to be. Its too bad Braniff and Eastern, and AA as well allowed themselves to be held hostage that way.

 

[Light Years]

US Airways will probably end up doing the same....

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United also has or did have some foriegn national bases in Asia, and I think Delta possibly as well.

I could be imagining things, but I seem to remember the topic of foriegn national F/As coming up in the 2000 US negotiations, for extra/LO/DO positions on transatlantic flights?

 

[WestCoastGuy]

United also has or did have some foriegn national bases in Asia, and I think Delta possibly as well.

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I have flown on several UA flights out of NRT and they are staffed with ONE US f/a and the rest from other Asian countries. Same thing with NW on their intra Asian flights. One US f/a and the rest Asian. Acutally better cabin service from the Asian crews on NW than the ones from US to NRT who where all were US based.

 

[Light Years]

Fly or someone from UA would know more about it, but I think the actual NRT base is a "mainline" UA base (I don't know if they use that terminology, they have some funny names for things there). The NRT hub inter-Asia flying I think is done by the FN crews from SIN or wherever. I didn't think the mainline and foreign crews ever mixed, and are required to wear a different uniform but I could be mistaken. I also thought there was a clause that the FNs had to be furloughed before any mainline F/As were.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Heck, US will probably set up a "Premier Southern Hemisphere Hub" there for that reason alone....though having lots of air traffic delays would be a plus.

Jim

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I guess we could call this the new "deep South."