Vote no for our profession
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What is this? The Teamsters should have the ability to restrict outsourcing via negotiations.
Yet the T/A lifts the restriction on outsouring as long as nobody gets furloughed.
So in fact via attrition, ALL work can be outsourced over time.
And so the Teamsters agree to the T/A allowing this and then goes public whining about what is about to take place.
AM I missing something here, or is this the baffoon union leader show uploaded to Youtube?
Now if it were the TWU at AA we would have t-shirts with slogans, or a public rally with a coffin on a trailer.
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When do you guys get your ballots?
By the way I heard that the IBT was telling you guys that the TWU is only asking for $39/hr at AA and only 1% would be getting that. Well thats not true. Guys in high cost cities working nights with 20 years would be topping out at $43.96,(all in-but not CC) the majority, guys in low cost cities working days would be getting $39.83. CC premium would be an addition $2.75 on top of those figures, so a CC on nights in NY or California would be $46.71. Its all available at aa.twu.org, Compensation is Article 4. Article 47 has language that we borrowed and modified from USAIR as far as extended negotiations. Automatic 3% after six months past amendable date and 3% every six months thereafter. We cant allow these airlines to jam concessions down our throats in a few months then drag out real negotiations for years and not give retro, with the NMB allowing talks to drag out on average 3 or more years we have to put in language to protect ourselves. The "thereafter" would be "industry leading", that was the first time those two words were spoken in nearly four years of negotiations !!
I know that we at AA have the reputation of being the industry leader in concessions, all the way back to the first to accept B-scale in 1983 but some of us are trying to change that and we need your help. For the profession, please vote NO. We lost a little momentum with the Continental sellout but we are hoping you guys show them how its done. If we het $43.96 hopefully you will come back with $44 or more but if you agree to lthis TA the NMB will let us rot. Ask the IBT why the labor of a UPS mechanic is valued at nearly $15/hr more than what they are saying YOU are worth. Ask them if they have contracts with any other workgroups with exactly the same skillsets with as much of a variance in rates. If they say its because UPS is profitable remind them that they are talking like the company, we are not responsible for the profits management is.
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Before you guys vote yes and accept the paltry increases in your TA consider this press release
The airlines have given themselves 7 raises this year. Ticket prices have seen as much as a 21% ($70 vs $337) increase. We are only into the second quarter and they've given themselves a 21% increase already, if they continued at this rate (not likely)that would be an 84% increase for the year!!
Fuel may be up 30% but fuel only makes up around 30% of the total cost, so fuel would only be responsible for raising total costs roughly thirty percent of thirty percent or 11%(assuming they didnt hedge anything).
So it appears that increased ticket prices have more than made up for the increased price of fuel. The Airlines are getting theirs, despite all the crying we hear about surging fuel prices, surging airfares are more than making up for that, with plenty left over for you guys to get some real restoration. My guess is that if you guys got UPS wages they would still have plenty left over.
Please Vote NO!
The airlines have given themselves 7 raises this year. Ticket prices have seen as much as a 21% ($70 vs $337) increase. We are only into the second quarter and they've given themselves a 21% increase already, if they continued at this rate (not likely)that would be an 84% increase for the year!!
Fuel may be up 30% but fuel only makes up around 30% of the total cost, so fuel would only be responsible for raising total costs roughly thirty percent of thirty percent or 11%(assuming they didnt hedge anything).
So it appears that increased ticket prices have more than made up for the increased price of fuel. The Airlines are getting theirs, despite all the crying we hear about surging fuel prices, surging airfares are more than making up for that, with plenty left over for you guys to get some real restoration. My guess is that if you guys got UPS wages they would still have plenty left over.
Please Vote NO!
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And don't forget the ancillary fees they now collect and more to come. They add up to billions of dollars. If this vote is legitimate, it will go down in flames. Our poll shows around 85% no. GT
What do you hear from the other stations such as IAD and ORD? You are DEN? I hear SFO is a NO as well.
When do you get your ballotts?
One of the scary things I heard is that UAL is cherry picking, leaving language open as far as the Medical and pension saying they will resolve that later. Do that and you guys will lose your medical and they (CAL)will lose their DB pension. When you lose the medical you can plan on forking over at least $3,000 a year, so in other words the company will be taking back around $1.50 an hour of the increase thats in the TA. I read that the TA puts you back to where you were 'after" the first BK, well losing the Medical would put you in a worse off position than that.
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The ibt has backed up the ballot mailings for a 4th time to June 2nd. Guess why.
The vast majority of the membership will vote no. We are just worried about the legitimacy of the voting process. I agree this TA will set back the whole industry by 10 years. Yes, lots of open language that the ibt negotiated such as stealth committees to determine future medical and pension programs. We know where that will go.
This whole thing is a nightmare. If I didn't live it I wouldn't of believed it. These guys have hijacked the membership and it's totally out of control. They have to go!
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I hear the IBT is telling the guys that they need to approve this because if they dont they could end up in mediation for a long time, using AA as the example. I wonder why they dont use UPS as the example, especially since they are IBT,they were without a contract a lot longer than us and look at how things turned out for them!
These guys are a Used Car salesmans dream come true!
What will happen if we say no(which I dont think we should) ? More years with the same old pay rates
we have now ? How long will mediation take 3,5,7, years longer ? We got back double time. no layoffs
for people on the system now and our SFO MOC is protected. It isnt a perfect agreement but there isnt
a perfect agreement.You have to think it through for yourself but for my family I will accept it.
we have now ? How long will mediation take 3,5,7, years longer ? We got back double time. no layoffs
for people on the system now and our SFO MOC is protected. It isnt a perfect agreement but there isnt
a perfect agreement.You have to think it through for yourself but for my family I will accept it.
What will happen is you can go back and get more plus the retro you earned. Are you going to let UAL take more money away from your family? If you vote YES you are voting to extend the concessions that were forced upon you in Bankruputcy seven long years ago. UPS, FED EX and WN mechanics do the same job you do but they get anywhere from $45/hr to $50/hr. Why should you guys settle for over $10/hr less? At AA we are going for just shy of $44/hr. That still puts us behind those guys buts its still an improvement over what we have now. If you guys settle for whats on the table you will have sold yourselves short. Adjusted for inflation you will be no better off than after the first round of Bankrupcty imposed cuts. Look at UALs revenue from 2002, compare it to today, my guess its gone up a lot, I know AA has gone up by $5 billion. Now look at the number of employees they have, my guess is its gone down a lot, at AA its around 40,000. So they have more money coming in with fewer people getting paid, they have the money, fuel doesnt take all of it. Everybody else who is still in the game, except labor, has seen their income increase dramatically, from the airports, to the vendors, to the banks and yes the oil companies. Labor should not stand on the sidelines and wait till there's something left over to get what we deserve, we have to take it, remember if we dont show up to work the planes dont go out and if they dont go out then nobody gets anything. Layoffs? are you serious? The airlines have driven so many mechanics out of the industry that even the MROs are having trouble getting people. Here in the Northeast at AA around 90% of our recalls rejected the offer to come back, out of nearly 400 on the list around 20 came back, the rest found better jobs. I hear that around 60% are saying no to UAL, that rate will increase as they get further down the list to more Junior guys. How long you are in mediation depends on how much pressure you put on the company. Another "Summer of Hell" like you did in 2000 would make it short, if you don't put any pressure on them like us you may end up a year or so but lets not forget that the recent UPS contract became amendable in 2006 and they just recently settled for $50/hr with the same union you got. Would that be worth waiting for? Maybe you need to switch to their Local?
The fact is we have the Airlines in a better position now than we ever have, despite the economy, despite the fuel, despite our age, now is the time to push to get the wage restored. In 2009 the FAA only issued enough certs for less than 3000 A&Ps. That's not even half the rate of attrition, AA alone attrits out around 500/year and 54% of our workforce is over 50 years of age. That means in the next 10 years, AA alone , if it does not expand, will need at least 5400 new mechanics, probably more, they were looking to add 900 this year. So one single carrier would consume at least 18% of all the new A&Ps. UAL looks to be agreeable to bringing more work back in house, maybe because they outsourced maintenance services were making up 13% of their total expenses but where are they going to find them? Half the schools closed as well. Remember that 3000 has to satisfy the entire Aviation industry, not just Commercial.
