Well, no wonder we're pulling back at SJU!

[jimntx]

The announcement this morning that Southwest is buying Airtran explains why we are pulling back at SJU. Since Airtran (soon to be Southwest) serves SJU, it's obviously the next major market for AA to give to WN. We can probably expect an announcement of market exits in Aruba, Punta Cana, and Cancun, shortly.

 

[Hopeful]

The announcement this morning that Southwest is buying Airtran explains why we are pulling back at SJU. Since Airtran (soon to be Southwest) serves SJU, it's obviously the next major market for AA to give to WN. We can probably expect an announcement of market exits in Aruba, Punta Cana, and Cancun, shortly.

Or maybe our "platonic" relationship with JetBlue will blossom into something more!

 

[eolesen]

They're no doubt going to be a factor on the east coast. This gives WN immediate access to (more) slots at LGA and DCA. They just got access to EWR thanks to the UA/CO merger. And they'll be even bigger than they are in MCO.

The janitor at DL world HQ has allegedly been seen bringing up extra cases of toilet paper to the DL executive suite, as well as their revenue management department. At least two new pair of trousers were also brought into the executive suite this morning.

Not only are they going to have to fight WN at ATL, but they'll do so knowing WN has all of Airtran's loyalty members, their gates, and their markets intact.

WN is also alluding on their merger website that the "new diverse fleet" will open up some opportunities in markets not currently served by WN.

That should have everyone a little concerned...

Jim, I think WN has much bigger fish to fry than moving into the Caribbean. The potential for SJU & Caribbean traffic is a pile of ant turds compared to what they could do south of the border. That's traffic that WN could be capturing in spades from just about every corner of their network. With 100+ new aircraft, they may not need Volaris anymore.

 

[Bob Owens]

While it would be good to see nearly all union SWA kick the crap out of mostly non-union Delta in this business if you are going to lose you are better off being the first to lose, the Pan Am guys learned that lesson from the EAL guys.

 

[PHL]

While it would be good to see nearly all union SWA kick the crap out of mostly non-union Delta in this business if you are going to lose you are better off being the first to lose, the Pan Am guys learned that lesson from the EAL guys.

I don't really understand that comment "if you are going to lose you are better off being the first one to lose".... Huh?

And, where does having a union or non-union workforce come into play in that statement?

 

[MCI transplant]

I don't really understand that comment "if you are going to lose you are better off being the first one to lose".... Huh?

And, where does having a union or non-union workforce come into play in that statement?

<_< ------- If you haven't lived through it, I can see where it might be hard to understand. -------What he means is:------ if you are working for a company that has to survive on the backs of it's employees, it may be better, in the long run, to let that company go under, (to lose), so that employee can get on with their lives.---------- Prime example would be TWA. The employees kept that Airline flying by living with concession upon concession for years! ------- Sound familiar?

 

[PHL]

<_< ------- If you haven't lived through it, I can see where it might be hard to understand. -------What he means is:------ if you are working for a company that has to survive on the backs of it's employees, it may be better, in the long run, to let that company go under, (to lose), so that employee can get on with their lives.---------- Prime example would be TWA. The employees kept that Airline flying by living with concession upon concession for years! ------- Sound familiar?

You don't know what I have or haven't been through.

What you say sounds like the familiar defeatist attitude of an employee who just keeps putting up with all the crap but doesn't do anything to get themselves out of it. Why is it better to let a company go under, thereby putting tens of thousands of people out of work, as opposed to just leaving when YOU'VE personally had enough. The thing is, there are many people without jobs who would gladly take your spot, at your current wages.

 

[Mr Red]

I WANT MY 250,000.00 Back !!!!

 

[nicky guy]

I don't feel that AA gets hurt at all by WN/AAI(AA never takes a negative Direct Hit)
For that matter I don't feel UA/CO got much "spider dooky" on themselves either.

Now DL and US,.....well thats a whole nuther story.

It's an industry reverberation for sure. IMO B6 will have to drop(and real soon) their laisse affair(SP?) attitude YESTERDAY, while US withers more quickly on the vine.

???

 

[goodgirl37]

I don't feel that AA gets hurt at all by WN/AAI(AA never takes a negative Direct Hit)
For that matter I don't feel UA/CO got much "spider dooky" on themselves either.

Now DL and US,.....well thats a whole nuther story.

It's an industry reverberation for sure. IMO B6 will have to drop(and real soon) their laisse affair(SP?) attitude YESTERDAY, while US withers more quickly on the vine.

???

I think you are WAY WAY off here. The one hurting is AA, and there is no doubt about that. You need to take a look at AA's plan going forward "the cornerstone plan" (which is a joke by the way). AA says they will focus on JFK(NY market), ORD, LAX , DFW, and MIA, lets take a look at that. JFK (NY market) - You have DAL at JFK and UA at EWR, AA plays second fiddle to both, so I would say AA is fighting a MAJOR uphill battle in NY, and they will lose. ORD - AA is playing second fiddle to UA, and now with the merger, IMO, will have much more corporate accounts etc taken from them and handed to UA, and they will become weaker at ORD i.e.(FRA) being the first slaughter. LAX - not much to say except they play no. 3 again to UA and DAL, fighting a major uphill battle that they cant defend. DFW and MIA are the two fortress hubs that they will have to defend dearly, and I am not so sure that UA or DAL wont try and make a move on MIA.

Labor, aging fleet, and lack of market share (especially now with SWA taking a huge swipe at the domestic market) is withering AA away slowly. Labor will want their recovery (as well they should), and it will drive a bigger wedge in AA. Many Corporate accounts will leave and go to UA and DAL, AA will not be able to defend all of its "hubs" and IMO, will pull down LAX ORD and JFK, and could very soon turn into a US situation with fortress at DFW and MIA, with much smaller hubs or focus cities at LAX and JFK and ORD, and this is a best case scenario IMO.. US is in a MUCH better position b/c it is right sized already and is not playing catch up to 2 fierce competitors in 3 of their 5 backyards. Like it or not, it doesnt look good for AA, they are in a fight for their life thats for sure. They should have filed BK a long time ago to make the playing field level. Now they have higher costs and a much less desirable route network and alliance (including the BA ATI) it is still far inferior to STAR and SkyTeam.

To sum it up JBLU and US are in FAR FAR better positions than that of AA, so the one to lose the arrogance should be AA and the only one withering on the vine is AA. AA mgmt is a slow moving turtle and is getting slammed from all corners, whether they want to admit it or not. P.S. If AA enters BK, you can guarantee DP will jump like wolverine, and IMO AA will have no chance but to be acquired. A far cry from what the AA posters have predicted in the past of UA and US.

 

[boston]

I think you are WAY WAY off here. The one hurting is AA, and there is no doubt about that. You need to take a look at AA's plan going forward "the cornerstone plan" (which is a joke by the way). AA says they will focus on JFK(NY market), ORD, LAX , DFW, and MIA, lets take a look at that. JFK (NY market) - You have DAL at JFK and UA at EWR, AA plays second fiddle to both, so I would say AA is fighting a MAJOR uphill battle in NY, and they will lose. ORD - AA is playing second fiddle to UA, and now with the merger, IMO, will have much more corporate accounts etc taken from them and handed to UA, and they will become weaker at ORD i.e.(FRA) being the first slaughter. LAX - not much to say except they play no. 3 again to UA and DAL, fighting a major uphill battle that they cant defend. DFW and MIA are the two fortress hubs that they will have to defend dearly, and I am not so sure that UA or DAL wont try and make a move on MIA.

Labor, aging fleet, and lack of market share (especially now with SWA taking a huge swipe at the domestic market) is withering AA away slowly. Labor will want their recovery (as well they should), and it will drive a bigger wedge in AA. Many Corporate accounts will leave and go to UA and DAL, AA will not be able to defend all of its "hubs" and IMO, will pull down LAX ORD and JFK, and could very soon turn into a US situation with fortress at DFW and MIA, with much smaller hubs or focus cities at LAX and JFK and ORD, and this is a best case scenario IMO.. US is in a MUCH better position b/c it is right sized already and is not playing catch up to 2 fierce competitors in 3 of their 5 backyards. Like it or not, it doesnt look good for AA, they are in a fight for their life thats for sure. They should have filed BK a long time ago to make the playing field level. Now they have higher costs and a much less desirable route network and alliance (including the BA ATI) it is still far inferior to STAR and SkyTeam.

To sum it up JBLU and US are in FAR FAR better positions than that of AA, so the one to lose the arrogance should be AA and the only one withering on the vine is AA. AA mgmt is a slow moving turtle and is getting slammed from all corners, whether they want to admit it or not. P.S. If AA enters BK, you can guarantee DP will jump like wolverine, and IMO AA will have no chance but to be acquired. A far cry from what the AA posters have predicted in the past of UA and US.

Our Pilots were talking about STL and ORD and their contract. In short they were saying some of the pull down in these stations have to do with Sup CC.

 

[Hopeful]

I think you are WAY WAY off here. The one hurting is AA, and there is no doubt about that. You need to take a look at AA's plan going forward "the cornerstone plan" (which is a joke by the way). AA says they will focus on JFK(NY market), ORD, LAX , DFW, and MIA, lets take a look at that. JFK (NY market) - You have DAL at JFK and UA at EWR, AA plays second fiddle to both, so I would say AA is fighting a MAJOR uphill battle in NY, and they will lose. ORD - AA is playing second fiddle to UA, and now with the merger, IMO, will have much more corporate accounts etc taken from them and handed to UA, and they will become weaker at ORD i.e.(FRA) being the first slaughter. LAX - not much to say except they play no. 3 again to UA and DAL, fighting a major uphill battle that they cant defend. DFW and MIA are the two fortress hubs that they will have to defend dearly, and I am not so sure that UA or DAL wont try and make a move on MIA.

Ohh good golly, Miss Molly!!!! The sky is falling the sky is falling.....ALL OTHER AIRLINES ARE GANGING UP ON AA AND ARE GOING TO PUT US OUT IF BUSINESS UNLESS THE UNIONS AGREE TO BILLIONS MORE IN CONCESSIONS!!!!!!!

OH MY OH MY,........THEYRE GOING TO BURY US AT JFK,, MIA IS NEXT, ORD AFTER THAT AND DFW AFTER THAT....

OH DEAR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO?????????????

Ok, I guess we'll have to work for minimum wage so AA can compete and not be forced out of business!

 

[goodgirl37]

Ohh good golly, Miss Molly!!!! The sky is falling the sky is falling.....ALL OTHER AIRLINES ARE GANGING UP ON AA AND ARE GOING TO PUT US OUT IF BUSINESS UNLESS THE UNIONS AGREE TO BILLIONS MORE IN CONCESSIONS!!!!!!!

OH MY OH MY,........THEYRE GOING TO BURY US AT JFK,, MIA IS NEXT, ORD AFTER THAT AND DFW AFTER THAT....

OH DEAR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO?????????????

Ok, I guess we'll have to work for minimum wage so AA can compete and not be forced out of business!

Hopeful, who said the union has to give concessions, or AA was going out of business??? Sure wasnt me, I know my post isnt what you want to hear, but its the truth.

 

[Barfbag]

Or maybe our "platonic" relationship with JetBlue will blossom into something more!

That's right.

The JB ( Joint Business ) is already taking hold.

With the exceptiion to Latin America where AA is firm in revenue, Uncle Willie is giving instructions to AMR to jettison all non LHR/MAD connection routes.

B6's low labor will be AMR domestic/caribbean arm. Kicking back good money to AMR.

Is Eagle still on the block?

 

[Hopeful]

That's right.

The JB ( Joint Business ) is already taking hold.

With the exceptiion to Latin America where AA is firm in revenue, Uncle Willie is giving instructions to AMR to jettison all non LHR/MAD connection routes.

B6's low labor will be AMR domestic/caribbean arm. Kicking back good money to AMR.

Is Eagle still on the block?

I agree....Yes Eagle is on the block..But with the limited seat aircraft, they aren't that attractive anymore. Thats why the JB relationship seems feasible provided they stay separate and essentially "replace" Eagle as AA's feeder.
The only problem I see is if this were to come to reality, is JetBlue's terminal distance from AA's.
Getting on the AirTrain or a bus for a connection is not exactly an attractive thought.