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What Happens When The Next Recession Hits?

I stand corrected and completely agree with you. The question for CCY is how do you differentiate US Airways from the other carriers? That is part of marketings job. They need to make U unique. WN does it with P/P and low fares, B6 does it inflight entertainment. Looks like AirTran will use XM. That is the billion dollar question.

I would start with an overhaul of the entire image, maybe including the name. Clean, fresh and bright. I would put F/A's in brighter uniforms and truly clean and refurbish the aircraft. I would go with the Carribean "Fun" theme, but do it sytemwide. I would make US Airways the "cool" airline to fly on. This is America and branding is everything.
Put our name and logo on everything! People don't look at the product , they look at the sound bite or the logo.
That was proven in the last election.
It's time for a major change.
 
USA320Pilot said:
In my opinion, legacy carrier capacity reduction will only provide limited short-term benefits to those companies remaining following a business enterprise failure because of the huge pending LCC growth. LCC's will back fill the capacity reduction, thus pricing power will not return -- ever.

People primarily shop on one point: price. That's true for all goods and services, including airfares.

Then please explain the success of the following:

1. Nordstrom's - very high end retail
2. SUV's - who needs a $50K Hummer when they can by a $9K Hyuandai? And yet, I'll bet Hummer, and the SUV market in general, is growing much much faster than "economy" cars.
3. W Hotel (and other "boutique" hotels) - huge growth market in that industry right now.

People shop primarily on VALUE. Sometimes, you can convince people that they get more VALUE at a higher price (I.e. a helpful salesperson, an added feature, or more convenient location, etc). Airlines are no different... Southwest has very loyal customers because it has a better value proposition for its customers than many other airlines.

That said, I agree that a shakeout will only have a short-term positive impact, if you assume everything else is equal. Of course, we know that everything else will not be equal. In my world view, the shakeout will occur in such a way that some capacity will be replaced, but not all of it... The number of hubs, and size of them, has been shrinking for the past 10 years... BNA, RDU, MCI as hubs are gone. Airports with competing hubs, like DFW and DEN, have lost one. Marginal hubs like STL, PIT, and SLC have been "right-sized", and true hub airports have been made more efficient, both from a scheduling and a facilities point of view, like DTW, ATL, DFW, DEN. So the trick for the industry is to find a new equalibrium, between the capacity which will be added and the capacity which will be reduced... It seems clear that less hubs are part of the new equalibrium.

Let's take an example... BGM - Binghamton, NY. US Airways recently reduced capacity on BGM-PIT to 0. Probably a good move. Meanwhile, Delta added CVG-BGM. So you could say that Delta replaced US Airways' capacity.... but, wait, there is more... US Airways pulled down what had traditionally been a schedule of 4 flights/day... Delta only added 3. US Airways had been known to fly mainline equipment to BGM (until recently), DAL does not. Thus, some of the lost US Airways capacity was replaced by a competitor, but not 100% of it.

Next, BGM-CVG is arguably better than BGM-PIT, because the CVG hub offers more connections to more places than PIT did. CVG has flights to PDX, COS, ATW, and LIT, which US Airways never provided from PIT. So not only is there less capacity from BGM, but it is better allocated to a larger network.

So, in the event that a major airline fails, I expect to see capacity changes like this... Where 100% of the lost capacity is not replaced... Particularly in smaller markets. And overall, the industry will find a new equalibrium... Or at least a more stable world in which to reside (i.e. closer to equalibrium than today). The current airline environment is simply unsustainable.
 
Recently on a trip to NYC my wife bought a necklace from Tiffany's.
She could have bought pretty much the same necklace at home for less.
But- she wanted something from Tiffany's and wanted the "Tiffany's box".

There you go.

(CCY needs to read this board- huh)
 
I agree with funguy2, as usual.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there stll exists a large segment of the population that isn't living paycheck to paycheck; these people have plenty of money and even buy YUP or discounted Business Class fares for leisure travel.

And Southwest, jetBlue, Airtran and the rest are never going to satisfy these people (barring some major overhauls of their level of service).

Yes, the pool of people willing to pay premium prices is shrinking, but it hasn't evaporated. The legacy airlines are hurting, in part, because the number of seats they are supplying hasn't yet shrunk to match the smaller pool of customers.
 
FWAAA said:
The legacy airlines are hurting, in part, because the number of seats they are supplying hasn't yet shrunk to match the smaller pool of customers.
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Everytime a legacy carrier reduces a market a LCC jumps in. So it is twofold, maintain your market and fight off the LCC.
 
FWAAA said:
Yes, the pool of people willing to pay premium prices is shrinking, but it hasn't evaporated. The legacy airlines are hurting, in part, because the number of seats they are supplying hasn't yet shrunk to match the smaller pool of customers.
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The number of customers is not shrinking. The number of customers who will pay extortion fares is shrinking because they have better options now than before. I'm not saying that people will not spend more for a better product/service. I am saying that $2300 for a Y ticket was never a good value and the only reason that people paid it was becuase they had no other choice. Now that the LCCs have created another choice, most pax choose to buy a $500 Y ticket instead of the $2300 one. And that has changed the industry forever. There is definitely a market for F and C tickets, it's just not (and never has been) as big as the number of seats that the network carriers have put on their planes. That was never a problem when the seats were being filled with upgraders who were paying extortion fares for Y. But with extortion fares becoming a thing of the past, the network carriers need to rethink their F and C capacity. The problem is that the carrier that acts first will likely lose some of their FF base and suffer in the short run. So the network carriers are in a prisoner's dilemma and just keep dragging each other down.
 
a320av8r said:
Recently on a trip to NYC my wife bought a necklace from Tiffany's.
She could have bought pretty much the same necklace at home for less.
But- she wanted something from Tiffany's and wanted the "Tiffany's box".

There you go.

(CCY needs to read this board- huh)
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i bought food for my family, they seemed to be happy.
 
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