What the US could have achieved with 2.2 TRILLION dollars

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http://grist.org/climate-energy/for-the-price-of-the-iraq-war-the-u-s-could-have-gotten-halfway-to-a-renewable-power-system/

Discussions of how to respond to climate change often involve Very Large Numbers — the needed investments to transition to a fully renewable energy system are in the hundreds of billions. The brain sort of shuts down when it encounters numbers like that. They are too big to fathom. The one thing that does seem true about them is that nobody’s ever going to spend that kind of money on anything. Right? It seems hopeless.

So I always enjoy it when someone comes along to provide some perspective, a comparison that can give us context and help us see the numbers afresh. Today, wind analyst Paul Gipe asks, how much renewable energy could we have gotten from what we spent on the Iraq War?

The total cost of the Iraq War, including future costs to care for veterans, is $2.2 trillion. If we include the interest we have to pay on the debt we used to finance the war, that figure rises to $3.9 trillion by 2053. (See Gipe’s article for sources and details.)

So what could that get us? Gipe gets deep into the weeds on renewables cost and yields, but here’s the top-line conclusion:

If we had invested the $2.2 trillion in wind and solar, the US would be generating 21% of its electricity with renewable energy. If we had invested the $3.9 trillion that the war in Iraq will ultimately cost, we would generate nearly 40% of our electricity with new renewables. Combined with the 10% of supply from existing hydroelectricity, the US could have surpassed 50% of total renewables in supply.

He notes that his estimates are extremely conservative, and with some reasonable amendments, that 40 percent figure could easily become 60 percent.

So, let’s call it half. For the price of the Iraq War, the U.S. could have gotten halfway to a fully renewable power supply.

Now, imagine if someone had proposed, in 2003, spending $2.2 trillion of public money over the next 10 years on renewable energy. My God, the outrage! The wailing and rending of garments! It would have been scorned, mocked, dismissed outright by VSPs across the land. Such investments in the nation’s future are too expensive; it would bankrupt us; we would never recover.

And yet, the country survived spending that much on the Iraq War. The economy is growing again; the debt is shrinking. And that’s with $2.2 trillion almost entirely flushed down the toilet, to virtually no long-term benefit. The same money spent on renewables would have produced massive returns in energy security and resilience, new industries and jobs, and an international reputation as a courageous humanitarian leader (rather than a belligerent, lying warmonger).

Next time you hear that responding to climate change is too expensive, ask, compared to what?
 
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What it got:


The new study concluded that both the war and the subsequent $212 billion reconstruction effort were failures as the war "reinvigorated radical Islamist militants in the region, set back women's rights, and weakened an already precarious health care system" while "most of [the reconstruction] money was spent on security or lost to waste and fraud," according to Daniel Trotta of Reuters reports

The new study concluded that both the war and the subsequent $212 billion reconstruction effort were failures as the war "reinvigorated radical Islamist militants in the region, set back women's rights, and weakened an already precarious health care system" while "most of [the reconstruction] money was spent on security or lost to waste and fraud," according to Daniel Trotta of Reuters reports



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-iraq-war-cost-2-trillion-2013-3#ixzz2UXk6FWPw

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-iraq-war-cost-2-trillion-2013-3#ixzz2UXk6FWPw

Operation Iraqi Freedom, beginning in March 2003 and officially ending December 2011, cost over $820 billion and claimed the lives of over 100,00 civilians as well as 4,484 U.S. military personnel (with another 32,000 wounded), according to war reports analyzed by The Guardian.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/iraqi-defector-whose-intelligence-helped-start-iraq-war-has-come-clean-2012-4#ixzz2UXkVZiIA
 
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Based on a lie...

The Man Who Offered Evidence That Started The Iraq War Says It Was All One Big Lie
Michael Kelley | Apr. 3, 2012, 2:01 PM | 5,730 | 26

The man who provided the WMD intelligence that became the basis for starting the Iraq War has confirmed his lies in an interview with BBC, as reported by Jonathan Owen at The Independent.
Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, otherwise known as "Curveball," is the Iraqi chemical engineer and defector who invented claims about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction.
When seeking political asylum in Germany in 1999, Curveball claimed to have supervised the building of a mobile biological laboratory.
BBC also reported that U.S. officials then doctored Curveball's drawings of the laboratory to make them seem more legitimate. U.S. Secretary of State at the time, Colin Powell, relayed the fabrications as facts based on solid intelligence at the U.N. Security Council in February 2003 to justify the invasion of Iraq.
From The Independent:
US officials "sexed up" Mr Janabi's drawings of mobile biological weapons labs to make them more presentable, admits Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, General Powell's former chief of staff. "I brought the White House team in to do the graphics," he says, adding how "intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy."
Mr. Janabi, who has been granted asylum in Germany, told the Guardian last year that he was exposed as a liar as early as mid-2000 when his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, Dr. Bassil Latif, told the German secret service that he strongly denied several claims made by Mr. Janabi.
Operation Iraqi Freedom, beginning in March 2003 and officially ending December 2011, cost over $820 billion and claimed the lives of over 100,00 civilians as well as 4,484 U.S. military personnel (with another 32,000 wounded), according to war reports analyzed by The Guardian.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/iraqi-defector-whose-intelligence-helped-start-iraq-war-has-come-clean-2012-4#ixzz2UXkojjrr
 
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No it isn't

Just a thought

If you don't go in for climate change, or government spending on infrastructure, cool. How about reduced imports of oil from countries that hate us?

How about we didn't add that debt, to people who hate us, to the balance sheet?

How about we didn't add the debt of the money we borrow, from people who hate us, to that debt?

How about we don't kill and maim ~ 40,000 of our own people, 100,000 plus innocent Iraquis, and disrupt the lives of hundreds of thousands more, so a cowboy president can have a set of ears... err... pistols.... to hang on his library wall? (One story, a friend of my daughter's dad, a reservist, was deployed 4 times, and gone over 60% of the time between her 11th and 21st birthday. Small potatoes, yes, but that one girls' sacrifice outweighs any and everything good accomplished in Iraq)

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http://grist.org/cli...e-power-system/

Discussions of how to respond to climate change often involve Very Large Numbers — the needed investments to transition to a fully renewable energy system are in the hundreds of billions. The brain sort of shuts down when it encounters numbers like that. They are too big to fathom. The one thing that does seem true about them is that nobody's ever going to spend that kind of money on anything. Right? It seems hopeless.


Maunder minimum
 
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Yhe wanton destruction of our country should take a back seat, right?

Wanton destruction?

That was dumbwa

He be gone

I only see, on balance, things gettin' better.

Nope, not excusing the obvious f'ups, or governmental power grabs, etal

I do see more people getting more better off, and the Pres even said it was time to give back some of the quasi-constitutional war making power he inherited from dumbwa

The Pres wants to give power back to Congress!

Imagine that

Certainly, you will see it differently
 
Wanton destruction?

That was dumbwa

He be gone

I only see, on balance, things gettin' better.

Nope, not excusing the obvious f'ups, or governmental power grabs, etal

I do see more people getting more better off, and the Pres even said it was time to give back some of the quasi-constitutional war making power he inherited from dumbwa

The Pres wants to give power back to Congress!

Imagine that

Certainly, you will see it differently



Val Jarrett:
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”

Yeah, right.........
 
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Yeqh, right

When your argument runs out of steam
 
I only see, on balance, things gettin' better.

Certainly, you will see it differently

Billionaire investors Warren Buffett, George Soros, and John Paulson – 3 of the richest men in the world – are selling off millions of shares in U.S. companies at a shocking rate.
Despite recent reports that the housing crisis is leveling off, unemployment is stabilizing, and stocks having rallied a historic 6% in the past few months…
Savvy investors aren’t buying into the hype.
One very famous economist, Robert Wiedemer, who predicted the 2008 fallout, is predicting another much larger catastrophe coming very soon. His NY Times best-selling book “Aftershock”, details all of the trigger points, and so far, his predictions have been spot on.

One very famous economist, Robert Wiedemer, who predicted the 2008 fallout, is predicting another much larger catastrophe coming very soon. His NY Times best-selling book “Aftershock”, details all of the trigger points, and so far, his predictions have been spot on.

http://www.warrenbuffett.com/why-billionaires-are-dumping-stocks-at-an-alarming-rate/
 
http://grist.org/cli...e-power-system/

Discussions of how to respond to climate change often involve Very Large Numbers — the needed investments to transition to a fully renewable energy system are in the hundreds of billions. The brain sort of shuts down when it encounters numbers like that. They are too big to fathom. The one thing that does seem true about them is that nobody's ever going to spend that kind of money on anything. Right? It seems hopeless.

So I always enjoy it when someone comes along to provide some perspective, a comparison that can give us context and help us see the numbers afresh. Today, wind analyst Paul Gipe asks, how much renewable energy could we have gotten from what we spent on the Iraq War?

The total cost of the Iraq War, including future costs to care for veterans, is $2.2 trillion. If we include the interest we have to pay on the debt we used to finance the war, that figure rises to $3.9 trillion by 2053. (See Gipe's article for sources and details.)

So what could that get us? Gipe gets deep into the weeds on renewables cost and yields, but here's the top-line conclusion:

If we had invested the $2.2 trillion in wind and solar, the US would be generating 21% of its electricity with renewable energy. If we had invested the $3.9 trillion that the war in Iraq will ultimately cost, we would generate nearly 40% of our electricity with new renewables. Combined with the 10% of supply from existing hydroelectricity, the US could have surpassed 50% of total renewables in supply.

He notes that his estimates are extremely conservative, and with some reasonable amendments, that 40 percent figure could easily become 60 percent.

So, let's call it half. For the price of the Iraq War, the U.S. could have gotten halfway to a fully renewable power supply.

Now, imagine if someone had proposed, in 2003, spending $2.2 trillion of public money over the next 10 years on renewable energy. My God, the outrage! The wailing and rending of garments! It would have been scorned, mocked, dismissed outright by VSPs across the land. Such investments in the nation's future are too expensive; it would bankrupt us; we would never recover.

And yet, the country survived spending that much on the Iraq War. The economy is growing again; the debt is shrinking. And that's with $2.2 trillion almost entirely flushed down the toilet, to virtually no long-term benefit. The same money spent on renewables would have produced massive returns in energy security and resilience, new industries and jobs, and an international reputation as a courageous humanitarian leader (rather than a belligerent, lying warmonger).

Next time you hear that responding to climate change is too expensive, ask, compared to what?
Can't turn back the hands of time.
Why don't you look at your DemoRats that voted for it.
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