Who is Chip Munn?

Ukridge

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Well, I thought I would take a moment to check in and see if United was still in business and that I shall one day be able to use my miles to take the family across the water to Disney world. Of course I check this board only out of a prurient interest in witnessing the macabre manner is which the long knives are always drawn against United. These knives of course are wielded not only by media and corporate interests but even by the working stiffs themselves. Yes! It is a powerful illusion – that of the working man with sweaty brow and crooked back standing in shoulder to shoulder solidarity with his fellow clock-punchers. Unfortunately, this of course is a mere illusion and the masses have seemed to devolved into a frenzied mob that to this date still clamour and delight in the destruction of 80,000 jobs of their “brothers.â€￾ No, do not demand better from the noblesse (the management), merely delight in the torment of the poor souls who will with kith and kin be put onto the street.
So, as I pursued the board to see if that vacation may one day still be a reality, I noticed the mention once again of Mr. Chip Munn. With piqued interest, I sallied over to the USAirways board to read some of these missives that apparently so sway the U.S. airline industry. To be fair I must ask what are this gentleman’s bona fides?
As an outsider, I enjoy watching not the specifics but rather the drama of the events. I may err, but after having grown up on a steady diet of John Le Carre, I must ask that why would decision makers release information to, and even more markedly – through, a person that is to these very same decision makers a cost unit in the corporate business plan? In the Le Carre novels such a person would after the shout and tumult feel sullied by having been used and discarded by those in the seat of power.
I come from a very class conscious society and am often startled by the American desire to mix and match. . Rod Eddington (chief of BA, and yes, from Australia) was a Rhodes and read physics while at Oxford. He deigns not to play the blue collar sweaty and cavort with the workers. His propositions are not leaked from various sources. In turn the workers do not insinuate themselves into the executive suite. The same goes with the head of Lufthansa and even more so with Air France whose leader himself is an X (very pedigreed French background).
On my part I deign not to know what the specifics of your industry are. I do not know various BK financing arrangements and it could be possible that Mr. Munn’s bona fides do indeed lie within this expertise. All I ask however, is that within the drama of the industry why does Mr. Munn write so extensively concerning United and why in the name of all that is good and right in the world would Wall Street analysts relay information to him that could be better used to serve their clients? I would think that the other airlines smelled blood in the water and have done everything possible to make life miserable for United. Dissension in the executive staff at UAL? Yes, I hope so. Even your vaunted Bush administration has a rift as large as Europe between state and defence.
The last question I have is that the October dip requirements are quoted as an almost drop-dead date. In other words, if United does not meet them then, ergo, liquidation is automatic. Would not these dip lenders reconsider the situation on a case basis?
Ah, the real last question. If the government guarantees a loan, is this not a significant boost for United? They can default and yet the loan is paid? I cannot think of any lender that would not make this.
Cheers
 
This short version: Chip Munn = Ms. Cleo in a pilot suit.

The long version: Chip Munn was a former UAL pilot in 1985. He then went to USAir, which turned out to be a big mistake for his career. Chip feels slighted because during the UA/U merger he had his sights set on a UAL widebody captain position. He is now slowly inching back toward an RJ captain position, so I can understand his frustration.

Chip has turned into a bitter man. He sits around making up theories in which USAir lords over UAL, taking their routes and aircraft, while the poor employees grovel and kiss his boots, thankful to have a job.

Take Chip for what he is: entertainment. None of his unique corporate transaction theories has come to pass. Hell, the ultimate transaction was when UAL was going to buy U for $60 a share, and you see how that turned out.

When you press him on his accuracy he responds with, "Dave Bronner has shown significant interest in UAL's assets." No crap Sherlock. I'll bet old Joe Leonard at AirTran covets UAL's assets too, but he will never get them.
 
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On 6/1/2003 10:52:26 AM 737nCH11 wrote:

This short version: Chip Munn = Ms. Cleo in a pilot suit.

The long version: Chip Munn was a former UAL pilot in 1985. He then went to USAir, which turned out to be a big mistake for his career. Chip feels slighted because during the UA/U merger he had his sights set on a UAL widebody captain position. He is now slowly inching back toward an RJ captain position, so I can understand his frustration.


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Actually, he''s an A-320 pilot. Thanks for playing though.
 
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On 6/1/2003 10:52:26 AM 737nCH11 wrote:

This short version: Chip Munn = Ms. Cleo in a pilot suit.

The long version: Chip Munn was a former UAL pilot in 1985. He then went to USAir, which turned out to be a big mistake for his career. Chip feels slighted because during the UA/U merger he had his sights set on a UAL widebody captain position. He is now slowly inching back toward an RJ captain position, so I can understand his frustration.

Chip has turned into a bitter man. He sits around making up theories in which USAir lords over UAL, taking their routes and aircraft, while the poor employees grovel and kiss his boots, thankful to have a job.

Take Chip for what he is: entertainment. None of his unique corporate transaction theories has come to pass. Hell, the ultimate transaction was when UAL was going to buy U for $60 a share, and you see how that turned out.

When you press him on his accuracy he responds with, "Dave Bronner has shown significant interest in UAL''s assets." No crap Sherlock. I''ll bet old Joe Leonard at AirTran covets UAL''s assets too, but he will never get them.


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Couldn''t have said it better myself! Savy
 
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On 6/1/2003 11:35:37 AM ITRADE wrote:
Actually, he''s an A-320 pilot. Thanks for playing though.
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Give the death* a little time. A-320s could quickly become the biggest aircraft in U''s inventory. ... followed by RJs being the biggest in U''s inventory. I find it odd that no one at U has noticed that UAL''s CEO Glenn Tilton sponsored U''s * alliance application. ... I''m sure that he has nothing but the best intention for U; just ask any former AirWilly employee how well Elk Grove treated them after being bought by UAL.
Welcome to the * alliance, Itrade. There is a (supposedly) ancient Chinese proverb that fits: May you live in interesting times, attract the attention of important people, and have all of your dreams come true. That''s the full version; most people shorten it to" May you live in interesting times.


Ukridge, in case you''re wondering who Ms Cleo is, she ran late night television ads for her psychic hotline. She was charged with fraud (DUH!) and I think that her current residence is somewhere behind bars ... you''d think that a psychic would see that coming!
Here''s an old press clipping: http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/07/25/psychic.lawsuit/
 
Iflyjetz - Thank you. I was indeed going to have to ask who Ms. Cleo is. No worry though, we have our share of such prognosticators here as well.

Sounds as if I opened the bee hive however, by asking the question about Mr. Munn as I can see that there seems to be a high level of emotion behind the responses. If true, it makes my original question all the more apt then as my amatuer reading of the available posts reveal a dichotomy in his maintenance that he acquires this information through "open sources" and then yet he claims "private sources."
Certainly something I cannot lose too much sleep over in the greater wife/children/office requirements of life but it was, and still is, curious, as to why so many in elevated positions would reveal so much to a worker bee unless there was some motivation of the part of those in the upper echelons.
Yes, "*" as it is nicely described will render some severe changes at U. To maintain that U is going to gain the upper hand over UAL as Mr. Munns posts obliquely imply however, sound like putting a 5 pounder on Lucky Lady to place in the 5th
 
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I used to get angry at some of Mr Munn's posts, but eventually realized that he's the deleted/gossip. Almost all of his forecasts based on 'inside information' have never come to fruition.
What Chip does is take open source information, toss in a bit of water cooler talk, make a few assumptions, and then spin everything into a situation that is favorable to Mr Munn. Because what's good for U is good for Mr Munn. And since he has a grudge against UAL, what's bad for UAL is good for Mr Munn.
As for Lucky Lady, she has an appointment with the glue factory immediately following the 5th ... a couple of pints would be a better investment.

Don't worry about your miles; UAL is starting to come back to life. And it's only a matter of time before UAL and LH wrap themselves around U like anacondas and slowly drain the life from U ... it's just their nature. U's employees won't notice it at first, but gradually LH and UAL will be carrying larger percentages of U's customers on overlapping routes than U. ... most of them are like baby harp seals with those big brown eyes and trusting look on their faces. By the time that the club hits them in the back of the head, it will be too late.
Seriously, does ANYONE think that the death * is going to have two US-based major carriers?
 
Folks, there may be some truth to the UCT Chip keeps talking about. Consider all the
RJ''s U has on order. Consider their recent admittance to the Star Alliance. Could it be
that U will become the "Northeast United States RJ Feeder" to the Star Alliance?
 
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On 6/1/2003 5:15:57 PM ual06 wrote:

Folks, there may be some truth to the UCT Chip keeps talking about. Consider all the
RJ''s U has on order. Consider their recent admittance to the Star Alliance. Could it be
that U will become the "Northeast United States RJ Feeder" to the Star Alliance?

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ual06,

I think there''s LOTS of truth to that.

However, Chip''s UCT scenario seems to envision *United* becoming the RJ feeder to the *A, while U goes on to somehow swallow UAL''s longhaul operation and equipment and dominate *A and indeed the world.

A vital part of this UCT theory is, of course, Chip becoming a 747-400 Captain and flying the daily PIT (or wherever he is based) -- NRT service which is to be operated by U.
 
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On 6/1/2003 6:25:49 PM ExThunderGuppy wrote:

Bear96,

Bravo! That was spot on.

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Let''s see what you boys have to say about chips UCT''s and UAL in about 90 days!! The way I do the math thats about all the cash UAL has!!
 
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On 6/1/2003 11:01:00 PM bigbusdrvr wrote:



Let''s see what you boys have to say about chips UCT''s and UAL in about 90 days!! The way I do the math thats about all the cash UAL has!!

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Then you need to take your shoes off to when doing cash flow problems.
 
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On 6/1/2003 11:31:50 PM Busdrvr wrote:

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On 6/1/2003 11:07:13 PM PineyBob wrote:


The question I have is this. If the current rosy picture an potential early emergence from BK doesn''t come to pass. Do you see any circumstances in which US could end up flying UA mainline routes?

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No. How would the weakest airline in the US financially possibly be able to "pick up the pieces". They BOUGHT western routes back in the days they were financially healthy and couldn''t even make it work then.

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Gee. I don''t know how UA would be able to pick up the pieces. UA is currently the financially weakest airline, so the guess is all yours.

As to US''s position, I''d be much more comfortable with them given that RSA is worth more than all the airlines combined.
 
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On 6/1/2003 11:07:13 PM PineyBob wrote:


The question I have is this. If the current rosy picture an potential early emergence from BK doesn''t come to pass. Do you see any circumstances in which US could end up flying UA mainline routes?

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No. How would the weakest airline in the US financially possibly be able to "pick up the pieces". They BOUGHT western routes back in the days they were financially healthy and couldn''t even make it work then.
 
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On 6/2/2003 12:11:46 AM ExThunderGuppy wrote:
U also has trouble competing against the global carriers such as UAL, AMR, and DAL. One only needs to look at U's failed attempt to establish a hub at Dulles in the mid 90's. Once UAL determined that U was getting too big for it's britches there they squashed them.


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Not sure this is really accurate. US did buildup IAD - but as a GhettoJet operation base and as a reliever for operations at DCA. I don't think that US would have wanted a hub there becuase BWI was 40 miles away and PHL is 110 miles away.

US eliminated IAD after, guess what, the announcement of the merger with United.

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On 6/2/2003 12:11:46 AM ExThunderGuppy wrote:
Having said this, why would we turn over a large portion of our flying to U? If most of our routes have become profitable again why hand them over to U RJs when our 320/737 fleets can fly them and make money.

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Right. And UA's routes were so profitable that it lost a mere $375 MM in a single month.
 

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