Why Even Vote ?
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Why, because then you have the moral, as well as the legal, right to fight back.
Lets say they accept the deal and USAIR starts miraculously recording record profits, and the deal is to 2012, they have no right to try and get a better deal based on USAIRs better fortunes. However if they vote NO, and if a court imposes terms, at any time, since they did not agree to those terms they can say either you give us back what we had or we are shutting you down. That is the law under the RLA, and nowhere in the law does a Judge have the right to steal your present or future labor for a private company. You have to remember that the Judge is not a fair and impartial party in these proceedings, he is there to protect the interests of the company, however there are limits as to how far he can go. Its up to you as employees to push him to those limits. So far there has been a lot of threats and what ifs, and he has the ability to overstep his bounds temporarily with the safety of the fact that it can be rectified at no cost to him by a higher court, but so far the unions have not challenged him. Staying "within the process" will not work, you have to take a stand based upon the rights given to us for over 75 years under the RLA. We have taken a lot of abuse because of this law, there is no way that we should obey some crackpot judge when he tries to overule the lawjust because in this one instance it works in our favor.
Voting No leaves you with options, voting YES takes them away since you made the choice to accept new terms, even though as IAM President Roach accurately said "with a gun to their heads". If you vote NO then you are at a standoff with the company, you both keep the guns to each others heads.
The workers have already given two rounds of concessions, the company then went and got the court to impose a third round, the workers should give no more. Once you agree to yet another round of concessions you have no recourse, no way to ever get back what you lost. If the courts are going to impose terms, let them justify how the terms they threw out were "onerous" when USAIRS biggest competitor gives their employees even more. At this point what do you have to gain by voting yes other than eliminating just about every reason why you came into this industry?Not voting at all is like voting YES, you are telling the Judge that you dont care.
The CWA , AFA , ALPA have all taken big pay hits . What makes the IAM think they are so special ? When U folds in the next few weeks many of you are going to find out just how "special" you are ........... not .
My employer no longer hires any ex-union members , not a written rule of course , it just seems their applications disappear by accident .
So why even vote ? No need to . The events happening right now at U are nothing more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic .
My employer no longer hires any ex-union members , not a written rule of course , it just seems their applications disappear by accident .
So why even vote ? No need to . The events happening right now at U are nothing more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic .
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Every vote does make a difference, as shown by the CWA in round #2 {3 votes}
Thanks Bob for the post but basically if we turn the latest proposal down we still have it shoved down our throats. Plain and simple it will not get any better.
Every time the company asks for something the Judge grants it. This latest proposal or an even worse one will be ours for the next several years. If U survives. :unsure:
Every time the company asks for something the Judge grants it. This latest proposal or an even worse one will be ours for the next several years. If U survives. :unsure:
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Unless the IAM makes noise that it'll appeal Mitchell's abrogation decision, the 'decision environment' for the union member voter has changed. It might take time to sink in, but there is no having your old contract. IT IS GONE (again, unless IAM suggests to its members an appeal).
So, the decision is not between fighting for a better option or accepting a slightly more secure option. The decision is making a rhetorical/political point to stand up for your other union members at other companies or stay employed (for some if not most).
I don't know how this will come out, but is the U IAM going to be promoting a vote to eliminate ALL jobs at U? Also, I'm not convinced that the alternative that U would impose would be the same as the last/best offer. Couldn't it be a continuation of the 1113(e) deal (continued 21% cut and Airbus outsourcing)?
So, the decision is not between fighting for a better option or accepting a slightly more secure option. The decision is making a rhetorical/political point to stand up for your other union members at other companies or stay employed (for some if not most).
I don't know how this will come out, but is the U IAM going to be promoting a vote to eliminate ALL jobs at U? Also, I'm not convinced that the alternative that U would impose would be the same as the last/best offer. Couldn't it be a continuation of the 1113(e) deal (continued 21% cut and Airbus outsourcing)?
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Of course not. But, the rank and file will!RowUnderDCA said:
They shouldn't have stolen the Airbus work.
