Have you ever been a member of a Union?
Until you have been a member, you don't know what "most of the union people" are like. The majority are silent partners in a struggle for better wages, working conditions, and job security.
As I have said here before, I had to join a union to work for Beech Aircraft Corp. in Boulder, Colo. Until that time I had virtually no opinion about unions, good or bad.
I also worked in an open shop where it was supposed to be membership optional, but non-membership was at your own risk, and the danger came from activist union recruiting.
Furthermore, if you're going to quote me, try to get it correct. I said "most of the union people
I've known." Obviously, I have not known every union worker there is, and I have known a few union members who don't exactly fit the mold. OTOH, practically every union post I've seen here reinforces my opinion. Though, yours tend to be more civil than most.
As for your 'silent partners' slant; by paying dues and lending support through your membership, you are a part of any action the union or its other members carry out. You are who you choose to associate yourself with.
He has no clue what it's like.
Remember, this is a guy who attended parties in the homes of mgmt., while not being able to figure out why he had a rough go of it on the shop floor.
Pay him no mind; he's here only to stir the pot, not to add fact or insight.
You really should engage your brain before making idiotic comments like this.
I am here (at Delta) because here, I don't have to put up with the [garbage] that permeates every facet of working in a union shop. The 'us against them' fear and mob mentality doesn't work here and your (union) propensity toward shuffling truths to create lies and disinformation doesn't either.
The several posts you tried to combine, clearly separated conditions and occurrences I've experienced in union shops vs. non-union. The post about parties clearly stated that they were Delta people, and mostly shop parties or dinners that were hosted in an informal atmosphere, by supervisors. I've also been to functions hosted by workers, where supervisors were invited and in attendance.
In answer to a specific question about supervisors helping those who work in their areas, I went on to give personal examples of exactly that. I could also give examples of managers helping re-roof or tile and carpet the floors of a house that belonged to someone who worked for them, but that wouldn't have been a first person account.
Nothing like any of this was ever done at the unionized companies. I don't believe it would have been possible in the union environments, due to the adversarial atmosphere created and perpetuated by the unions. But then, we don't have the unions at Delta, dictating with whom we can and cannot associate.
Do you know anything of the personal lives of your managers?
Didn't think so.
