Aircraft maint issues

[Traymark]

Yep, my math has them at $48.61/hr now. Base pay +license pay.

And lets not forget the 3% CONTRIBUTION along with the 6% match into their 401K.
The IAM can stick their pension up their collective Arses, give me the Delta language on 401K and I'm good.

 

[MetalMover]

Like I've stated before, if you dont like being in a union you can join management. Too much bitching and not enough action on here. Blame the union for all of your problems when in fact the AMTs are the union. Very weak!

TopCat, the problem historically has been the "special relationship" between the TWU and legacy AA. They had special agreements which forced themselves to sell out the membership contract after contract to preserve their arrangements such as their AA pensions while they serve in the international.
Then TWO unions cahoot to for an association without membership approval. As for this being the fault of AMT's, this is hard to undo because the TWU has mastered the art of divide and conquer.

 

[MetalMover]

And lets not forget the 3% CONTRIBUTION along with the 6% match into their 401K.
The IAM can stick their pension up their collective Arses, give me the Delta language on 401K and I'm good.

Interesting point. But how many of our people would be willing to work without union rules?

 

[bigjets]

Interesting point. But how many of our people would be willing to work without union rules?

More then you would think, CRT , DFW, PHX, DWH and TULE where a majority of the mechs work, are all from conservative states and vote republican based on what I hear and read. They prefer to be judged on their own work not a socialist cabal.

 

[1AA]

Interesting point. But how many of our people would be willing to work without union rules?

At AA a union culture has been here a long time. Without one who knows what would happen. At Delta they been a non union culture with the exception of the pilots. Apples and oranges, including their pay rates. An outsider would think that unions drive down pay rates in the airlines if you look at us and Delta.

 

[Traymark]

Interesting point. But how many of our people would be willing to work without union rules?

So you automatically assume, that in order to get that, we must give up our union rules?
Our FA's have a better CONTRIBUTION than that, and they are full fledged union.
Why do we assume we have to give up in order to get while the company has made Multiple Billions in profits the last 3 years in a row and will continue this year?

 

[WeAAsles]

So you automatically assume, that in order to get that, we must give up our union rules?
Our FA's have a better CONTRIBUTION than that, and they are full fledged union.
Why do we assume we have to give up in order to get while the company has made Multiple Billions in profits the last 3 years in a row and will continue this year?

That's not true. The FA's have a tiered contribution and Match that ends on January 1 2019. Different formulas by age and look at what new hires after the contract was ratified get.

 

[Rogallo]

1. Interesting point. But how many of our people would be willing to work without union rules?

   It may be hard to change your steadfast ways, but can be done.
   
   

 

[MetalMover]

So you automatically assume, that in order to get that, we must give up our union rules?
Our FA's have a better CONTRIBUTION than that, and they are full fledged union.
Why do we assume we have to give up in order to get while the company has made Multiple Billions in profits the last 3 years in a row and will continue this year?

For starters, FA's and pilots for that, matter do not have the threat of outsourcing constantly looming over their heads as we do. The F/A union represents only flight attendants as does the pilot's union.
The ASSociation represents quite a few work groups.
If you think that we are going to get ANYTHING back that we lost since 2003 WITHOUT giving ANYTHING ELSE in return, I believe you are sadly mistaken. Do I like it? NO! We should NEVER have to give anything up again, especially when profits are in the stratosphere.
Even the F/A's and pilots lost something here and something there. But I will agree with you on the fact that they both got better contributions in exchange than we did.

 

[Traymark]

That's not true. The FA's have a tiered contribution and Match that ends on January 1 2019. Different formulas by age and look at what new hires after the contract was ratified get.

No, it really IS True. They got a better CONTRIBUTION for 6 years than we have now. And with their formulas for age it would encompass over 90% of our workgroup.
Give us the 6 year time period of 9.9% CONTRIBUTION. After that, bring it back to a healthy match, whatever. It's still BETTER, by miles, over what we have now and have had for years.

The point is, "Let's Go Association" you wanted the gig, you got it , now show us the goods, damn it.
Any enhancement of our 401K is way better than any inclusion in the IAM pension fund, it's not even close.

 

[WeAAsles]

No, it really IS True. They got a better CONTRIBUTION for 6 years than we have now. And with their formulas for age it would encompass over 90% of our workgroup.
Give us the 6 year time period of 9.9% CONTRIBUTION. After that, bring it back to a healthy match, whatever. It's still BETTER, by miles, over what we have now and have had for years.

The point is, "Let's Go Association" you wanted the gig, you got it , now show us the goods, damn it.
Any enhancement of our 401K is way better than any inclusion in the IAM pension fund, it's not even close.

I like the idea of the tiered or enhanced 401k myself AND the IAMPF thrown in as a bonus.

Why not go for it all?

 

[WeAAsles]

For starters, FA's and pilots for that, matter do not have the threat of outsourcing constantly looming over their heads as we do. The F/A union represents only flight attendants as does the pilot's union.
The ASSociation represents quite a few work groups.
If you think that we are going to get ANYTHING back that we lost since 2003 WITHOUT giving ANYTHING ELSE in return, I believe you are sadly mistaken. Do I like it? NO! We should NEVER have to give anything up again, especially when profits are in the stratosphere.
Even the F/A's and pilots lost something here and something there. But I will agree with you on the fact that they both got better contributions in exchange than we did.

Anyone in their ranks under 40 only got the same 5.5% that we have. The only ones really making out in the APFA are those who were already over 50 and actually Match the 9.9% for almost basically 20%

Do we know what the average age is in their group and how many actually are putting in to capitalize on the deal? They've hired a lot of new people since the BK and those newbies are only getting a 3% contribution with no match.

I have a feeling the way they did it probably evens out pretty close financially to us (Not to say that I don't wish the TWU had done the same damn thing and still do. It maximizes more value with age and we ALL do get old eventually)

 

[1AA]

For starters, FA's and pilots for that, matter do not have the threat of outsourcing constantly looming over their heads as we do. The F/A union represents only flight attendants as does the pilot's union.
The ASSociation represents quite a few work groups.
If you think that we are going to get ANYTHING back that we lost since 2003 WITHOUT giving ANYTHING ELSE in return, I believe you are sadly mistaken. Do I like it? NO! We should NEVER have to give anything up again, especially when profits are in the stratosphere.
Even the F/A's and pilots lost something here and something there. But I will agree with you on the fact that they both got better contributions in exchange than we did.

Pilots and flight attendants jobs at AA have and are constantly bring outsourced. AA is shifting mainline flying to Eagle. If you don't think that's outsourcing then go find a pilot or flight attendant and ask them about it. I never thought the moving of flights over to Eagle was outsourcing in the same sense that we consider what outsourcing is.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Show me the money Doug.

“It’s a lot bigger than 4 percent, because you are already below Delta [pay rates] and we’re going to take you to Delta [pay rates] and add 7 percent so it’s a double-digit increase,” Parker told the employee, which is in a video provided by an American worker

9-23-15...we are still waiting.

 

[IORFA]

Anyone in their ranks under 40 only got the same 5.5% that we have. The only ones really making out in the APFA are those who were already over 50 and actually Match the 9.9% for almost basically 20%

Do we know what the average age is in their group and how many actually are putting in to capitalize on the deal? They've hired a lot of new people since the BK and those newbies are only getting a 3% contribution with no match.

I have a feeling the way they did it probably evens out pretty close financially to us (Not to say that I don't wish the TWU had done the same damn thing and still do. It maximizes more value with age and we ALL do get old eventually)

Weeze, just 2 points of clarification. LAA F/A's are the only ones covered under the enhanced 401K. And they had to be on property as of 2012 or 2013. Those of us getting the enhanced 401K, it is a contribution and not a match. The LUS and the new hires after the magical date do get a 3% contribution, plus they can get a 2.5% match as well IF they contribute at least that much. On 1-1-19, we will all go down to the 3% contribution with the ability to get the 2.5% match.