MAH4546 said:
The plan is for things to move very briskly. DL is anxious to get to T2/T3 very quickly. We are talking 18-36 months, not 2027.
If they plan on completely rebuilding T3 I don't see how that is possible (and the message from the company makes it seem as if T3 will be completely tore down and rebuilt, not a big re-fresh like DL did to T5 post WA merger) I would think TBIT would have to be built out so that either DL could use it temp. or the current T3 airlines could.
2027 was a little sarcastic but I can't see the bringing down of T3 going fast in LA. I'm sure its an environmental waste land.
If they don't rebuild T3 then It could happen quickly, but that seems really stupid and short sited by DL and LAWA. IMO they have a good chance to do some logical things at LA. Good chance all the parties will mess that up, but I am hoping they don't.
MAH4546 said:
AA will be announcing a major LAX expansion next Thursday. It remains to be seen if the T5 takeover will be made public. AA and LAWA met today to work on sealing up that deal. DL had to close its LOI for its move before AA could get to work on the T5 move deal. I've also heard that AS could be involved in the new T5 but not sure how real that is.
Moving AS from T6 to T5 with AA would be the most logical choice. That would allow the T3 carriers along with SY and HA (possibly AC also) to move into T6.
MAH4546 said:
Regardless, the Thursday expansion is not qualified on T5 gates. AA is building two new gates at T4 which will be ready this summer. AA is getting gates in TBIT which it has exclusive use between 5AM and 11AM and will share outside those times. AA is also getting another T6 gate. Those eight new gates will facilitate expansion in the interim.
good for them
MAH4546 said:
Nobody said OW will leave TBIT. Heck, even with AA moving to T5, AA will still use TBIT! It doesn't need wide body capacity at T5. It has TBIT for that.
rob asked if they would,
and I agree. If I were AA/LAWA I would take the widebody gates out of T5 and add back the gates DL has taken away over the years. However it would be smart for AA to use the smaller FIS in T5 (and AS) for its narrowbody flying that will need customs. No need to sit on a valuable wide body gate at TBIT for those flights when DL/LAWA sunk all that money into the T5 FIS.
MAH4546 said:
Not sure why you are getting so angry. I called what was going to happen, as did others with far better knowledge of the details than I, and it's happening exactly as I said.
Who is angry? I don't get angry over stuff like this. I could literally care less what Delta, American, United, Southwest, etc. etc. do in LA. If DL announced it was completely leaving LAX and moving its operations to ONT.....cool. I don't care.
I care about the company doing what generates the best returns for the airline and they put that money back into my pocket. I also have a few friends who work at LAX and would like to see them taken care of. Thats about it.
Only growth I am really worried about is finally getting TechOps a true hangar and stop using the to small WA high bay and the TWA hangar.
but I'm not angry. Its just not worth me talking about because I simply don't care and clearly people like you do.
Having said that, Nothing has happened "exactly" as you said. You said AA will completely use/takeover T5. I call horse crap because the math doesn't work. DL moving to T3 just to share it with NK/VX/B6/F9/G4 makes zero sense. DL isn't going to fit 170 flights into T2/3 without someone, most airlines, moving. DL needs ~16-18 gates to run 170-180 flights per day. Without them getting complete control of T3, the most logical assumption, that doesn't happen. As I have said before, DL isn't moving to get smaller. Nor do I expect growth.
tl;dr don't see AA getting all of T5, just most of it. Either sharing with AS or some T3 airlines.
robbedagain said:
anytime.
eolesen said:
To be fair, Mark's information usually pans out to be spot on. While some forum participant's "inside sources" usually were just DL's internal website for retirees, FT or Airliners.net, Mark's seems to come from far deeper within AA.
The notification to the trade press about an announcement @ LAX on the 20th were sent out at the beginning of this week, and will have executive participation, so it's not just a new route. At least I'd hope they don't follow that model like some other carriers do.
Which one is Mark? LDV or MAH?
and I am not really arguing any of that.
but so far he has been right on one thing, DL moving to the north side. Cool. That was posted openly on Delta's intranet a year ago. DL also said it in its JV application. The other option was some how moving AS out of T6, which I said 100 times on here was a pipe dream. This move was obvious.
and hopefully that announcement will give the real details on DL's move to the north side and the south side relocation project.