DL not playing fair?

[topDawg]

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-u-dot-looks-deltas-actions-atlanta-area-225817283--finance.html;_ylt=AwrBEiFoW1BUQR8ArjHQtDMD

so when does the investigation of AA start? Or does the DAL thing not count cause AA paid off the right people in DC? 
 

 
Have you ever heard of AirTran (nee ValuJet, now Southwest)?

I wouldn't bring WN into it. They are running as fast as they can. 
 

It would be convenient to most of the high-value, higher-income residents of ATL who probably don't appreciate locking their doors to drive all the way to the "other side of the tracks" to ATL.

except the only airline who has show any interest is G4. The airport location sucks. No marta, no interstate.  HVCs will keep using ATL. If and when they want a 2nd airport the NIMBYs are PDK or Dobbins will go away. Any other location that has been looked at would be terrible. 
 
 
and ATL has plenty of space right now. Adding more gates in the future. They will be able to do the same thing where the Jetbase is now if they want even more space. (moving the Delta hangars to where north cargo is now.) They could also re-work the north side for a 3rd runway there (giving ATL 7 runways) and could still put gates where they planned to put SGC.
 
ATL doesn't need 6 airports like NYC because the one airport can be expanded to handle future growth for many years to come. 

 

[southwind]

so when does the investigation of AA start? Or does the DAL thing not count cause AA paid off the right people in DC? 
 
I wouldn't bring WN into it. They are running as fast as they can. 
 
except the only airline who has show any interest is G4. The airport location sucks. No marta, no interstate.  HVCs will keep using ATL. If and when they want a 2nd airport the NIMBYs are PDK or Dobbins will go away. Any other location that has been looked at would be terrible. 
 
 
and ATL has plenty of space right now. Adding more gates in the future. They will be able to do the same thing where the Jetbase is now if they want even more space. (moving the Delta hangars to where north cargo is now.) They could also re-work the north side for a 3rd runway there (giving ATL 7 runways) and could still put gates where they planned to put SGC.
 
ATL doesn't need 6 airports like NYC because the one airport can be expanded to handle future growth for many years to come. 

 
This thread is not about options at Atl. It's about the evil DL!

 

[topDawg]

 
This thread is not about options at Atl. It's about the evil DL!

I think its more about a witch hunt because stuff like this gets a rise out of WT. 

 

[metopower]

You have Brocken the code......

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

so when does the investigation of AA start? Or does the DAL thing not count cause AA paid off the right people in DC? 
 

I wouldn't bring WN into it. They are running as fast as they can. 
 

except the only airline who has show any interest is G4. The airport location sucks. No marta, no interstate.  HVCs will keep using ATL. If and when they want a 2nd airport the NIMBYs are PDK or Dobbins will go away. Any other location that has been looked at would be terrible. 
 
 
and ATL has plenty of space right now. Adding more gates in the future. They will be able to do the same thing where the Jetbase is now if they want even more space. (moving the Delta hangars to where north cargo is now.) They could also re-work the north side for a 3rd runway there (giving ATL 7 runways) and could still put gates where they planned to put SGC.
 
ATL doesn't need 6 airports like NYC because the one airport can be expanded to handle future growth for many years to come.

Adding new runways and gates is one part of the equation. Building the approaches, departures, handling the ATC, etc., are quite another.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I think its more about a witch hunt because stuff like this gets a rise out of WT.

 
 or because it generates conversation on this board... remember that the majority of the users on this board are AA/US employees.

were it not for controversy on the DL forum, this board would die except for the union squabbles at AA/US.

 

Adding new runways and gates is one part of the equation. Building the approaches, departures, handling the ATC, etc., are quite another.

building highways that connect with the rest of the metro Atlanta area is way beyond what any airport can do.

Paulding county is simply not in any kind of location to be an effective competitor to ATL
All this effort by G4 highlights is that they don’t want to have to live under DL’s shadow.

Regardless of what involvement DL has in this or not, it is far from clear that any of the neighbors in Paulding County want a commercial airport in their backyard and it is certain that the City of Atlanta is and will be opposed to any airports in other parts of the metro Atlanta area.
Both of these realities have been lived out over and over again with a number of other alternative airports in N. Georgia over many years.

 

[topDawg]

Adding new runways and gates is one part of the equation. Building the approaches, departures, handling the ATC, etc., are quite another.

while that is true, its clearly not an issue as the 6th runway is a go. 
 
NexGen will make it even better when it happens (50 years from now the way we are going but still) 
 

 

So you don't think that an airport in Paulding co. could function for G4 in a manner similar to how HGR functions to IAD/BWI/DCA?  I think population-wise (ATL vs. WAS) they're pretty close, maybe ATL is a bit larger.

I think adding an airport just for G4 (about the only carrier who would use it really) is about as stupid of an idea as anyone can have. 
 
if G4 wants to pay for the TSA/FAA/DHS/DOT etc. etc. etc staffing and not tax payers? cool. If they don't then there is space on D concourse in Atlanta and they can play with the rest of the kids.

 

[eolesen]

So... Paulding is inconvenient, and yet DL wants to block it??

What are they afraid of?

 

[WorldTraveler]

we could ask the same thing about AA and DAL.... how many years ago did DFW open?

DL just happens to recognize that leaving the door open even an inch opens a risk that DL doesn't want in its backyard.

Neither did UA at DEN.

DAL/DFW just happened to be the case study to use to make sure that the original airport is rendered unusable.

btw, the DOT says they are not investigating anyone but are instead just looking at facts.

“A number of entities have raised questions and concerns about the possible commercialization of Paulding, and we are looking into those questions and concerns,” DOT spokesman Brian Farber said Friday, in a prepared statement. “We are not focusing on any particular entity. We are simply trying to assess the facts.”

it also appears that DL has asked the DOT to investigate Paulding County.

"Delta has long opposed a proposal by developer Propeller Investments and the Paulding County commission to develop Paulding Northwest Atlanta Airport, a general aviation airport, for commercial aviation. The county and the airline have each asked the Transportation Department to investigate the other."

“The proposal is a waste of taxpayer dollars, violates the city’s restrictions on the land, and would siphon off increasingly scarce federal funding that’s more needed at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport,” Delta said, in a prepared statement.

“It’s also an attempt to subvert the will of the electorate in Paulding County, who overwhelmingly voted out proponents of commercializing this general aviation airport in recent county elections,” the airline said..

further
"In a recent letter to DOT Secretary Anthony Foxx, three electees to the Paulding County Commission say they expect that when they take office in January, they will comprise a majority of the five-member board, and they would oppose the effort to create an alternate airport."

all quotes from
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/11/01/delta-opposes-second-atlanta-airport-dot-is-not-investigating/?partner=yahootix

 

[eolesen]

It's a stretch to try and argue that a city deciding to close down an obsolete airport is the same situation as a new one being opened up within the region.

Did you see WN or HP/US complaining when Williams Gateway opened up in the shadows of PHX?

Anyone complain loudly when Mid-America opened up across the river from STL?

The only complaining I've heard about a new airport development has been Peotone in Illinois, and that was largely because the state wanted to spend money it didn't have.

If the local municipality wants to open up an airport to commercial service, what right do a bunch of carpetbaggers from a county or two over have to try and block it?


Again, you have to ask why DL is so afraid of this?

At least TWA was smart enough to know that Mid America would fail on its own.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you apparently missed the part that the community in Paulding county has voted against the airport receiving commercial service while 3 of the incoming commissioners said they don't support it either.

The Paulding community is smart enough to never let it get started. DL is simply throwing their support behind the community.

 

[eolesen]

It's a local issue.

The point you're missing is that DL shouldn't be involved at all.

 

[WorldTraveler]

there is nothing that stops DL from expressing its interest in any issue.

the local will kill it but no one is prohibited from providing input.

the DOT and FAA are certainly not local organizations.

 

[topDawg]

It's a local issue.

The point you're missing is that DL shouldn't be involved at all.

but it isn't a local issue. Your taxes and my taxes will help pay for it. Why is that fair at all? 

 

[LD3]

Bottom line, DL is concerned or they wouldn't be vocal about it...You didn't hear US whining about G4 starting service out of JQF, and that aint but 25 minutes up the road from CLT..