Do You Want To Re- Elect Bush For Presendent!
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jimntx
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Neither every forum nor every thread on this board is about US Airways. If you will notice, this thread is posted on the Just Conversation forum. It can be about anything.djlndc said:
Hello Newman
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USAirway's problems are the fault of inept management. NOT PRESIDENT BUSH.
After Kerry's ANTI-USAIRWAYS statements of 2000, would you really prefer him?
THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE!!!!!!!!
After Kerry's ANTI-USAIRWAYS statements of 2000, would you really prefer him?
THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE!!!!!!!!
NeedForSpeedNFS
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GOD JOB NEWMAN!!!! All you people that think those mean REPUBLICANS are part of all our problems in labor, get real!!!! Bush is for oil, bush/cheny/haliburton, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Same OLD, TIRED argument from the whining Demorcrats. The dems will save our jobs!! YEA, RIGHT!!Hello Newman said:
Might want to do some homework before posting.zonecontroller said:
John sKerry is divorced from his first wife. He is currently married to Teresa Heinz Kerry. She inherted her fortune, when her first husband, Sen. John Heinz, died. He is not currently divorced.
nycbusdriver
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Kerry's present wife is the widow of the late Republican Senator John Heinz, the heir to the "ketchup fortune." She and Heinz were not divorced, she was widowed. She and Kerry are not divorced, either. Heinz was the wealthy one, he died and left a fortune to his wife who subsequently married Kerry.zonecontroller said:
I just know I'm gonna get rapped in the mouth for this, but that's never stopped me before.
First, the bona fides. I loathe GW Bush so much, I didn't vote for his old man, either! I am absolutely convinced he will be the Herbert Hoover of our generation.
Having said that, the best the Dems could do was Kerry?
He shares many of the attributes I dislike about Bush - born on third (I don't mind that); acts like he hit a triple (that, I mind).
And I Loooove (not!) how the IAM, with full knowledge of Kerry writing U off, whored themselves, along with all the other country club Democrats, out to him, WHILE THEY STILL HAD ALTERNATIVES.
Did the IAM get Kerry to reconsider his position vis a vis U BEFORE they endorsed him? I haven't heard of it. Who do they have a higher obligation to - the membership or the DNC?
What this tells me is the Dem establishment is soooo eager to shove a liberal down our throats (particularly ignorant Southerners) they are willing to lose this election to do so. After all, they have Hilary in 08 as a fallback. They just won't have a middle class left.
First, the bona fides. I loathe GW Bush so much, I didn't vote for his old man, either! I am absolutely convinced he will be the Herbert Hoover of our generation.
Having said that, the best the Dems could do was Kerry?
He shares many of the attributes I dislike about Bush - born on third (I don't mind that); acts like he hit a triple (that, I mind).
And I Loooove (not!) how the IAM, with full knowledge of Kerry writing U off, whored themselves, along with all the other country club Democrats, out to him, WHILE THEY STILL HAD ALTERNATIVES.
Did the IAM get Kerry to reconsider his position vis a vis U BEFORE they endorsed him? I haven't heard of it. Who do they have a higher obligation to - the membership or the DNC?
What this tells me is the Dem establishment is soooo eager to shove a liberal down our throats (particularly ignorant Southerners) they are willing to lose this election to do so. After all, they have Hilary in 08 as a fallback. They just won't have a middle class left.
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diogenes wrote:
Of course if Kerry or Clinton or any of those poser really were liberals, I suspect we might have a viable national health care system (not to be confused with Clinton's rube-goldberg thing that got written by the HMO's).
We live in a strange world where talk show hosts can denounce a big-biz friendly NAFTA hawker like Clinton as some kind of socialist. Wierd, huh?
But I agree, our unions were awefully quick to back Kerry. One thing is for sure: This will be the first ever square off by two members of Yale's Skull & Bones Society!
Gotta run....
-Airlineorphan
Of course if Kerry or Clinton or any of those poser really were liberals, I suspect we might have a viable national health care system (not to be confused with Clinton's rube-goldberg thing that got written by the HMO's).
We live in a strange world where talk show hosts can denounce a big-biz friendly NAFTA hawker like Clinton as some kind of socialist. Wierd, huh?
But I agree, our unions were awefully quick to back Kerry. One thing is for sure: This will be the first ever square off by two members of Yale's Skull & Bones Society!
Gotta run....
-Airlineorphan
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President Bush WON the first count in Florida. He WON the first recount. He WON the second recount. He WON the third recount. He even WON the attempts by the left wing press (NY Times, et al) to go in and hand count all the ballots. (Imagine their disappointment when they got the results of their counts..."Oh no.... he DID win! arrrghhhhhhh.... there goes our headlines..... make sure we bury this story on page 34, ok?")
If you knew anything about the US Constitution, you would know the Supreme Court did not select President Bush. They merely did not go along with the democrat's plan to selectively recount in a very small fraction of the counties of Florida, hoping to change the election results.
If the result would not have been certified via the statewide popular vote - it would have gone to the Florida legislature for final determination. The legislature would have voted for President Bush. Period. End of Story. But, it didn't get that far. The state certified the vote properly after the legal recount process was completed.
Take a look at the county by county map of the US and you will see how overwhelmingly Bush beat gore. If you don't like the Electoral College system of electing our President, please use your Congressional Representatives to propose an Ammendment. If you don't know the President is not selected by popular vote - if you don't know what the Electoral College is.... please read the US Constitution and lose your ignorance.
County by county 2000 election results
Counties won by Gore: 677
Counties won by Bush: 2,434
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Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
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Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
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States won by Gore: 21
States won by Bush: 29
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Average Murder per 100,000
residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
Average Murder per 100,000
residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1
A10 Pilot
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If you knew anything about the US Constitution, you would know the Supreme Court did not select President Bush. They merely did not go along with the democrat's plan to selectively recount in a very small fraction of the counties of Florida, hoping to change the election results.
If the result would not have been certified via the statewide popular vote - it would have gone to the Florida legislature for final determination. The legislature would have voted for President Bush. Period. End of Story. But, it didn't get that far. The state certified the vote properly after the legal recount process was completed.
Take a look at the county by county map of the US and you will see how overwhelmingly Bush beat gore. If you don't like the Electoral College system of electing our President, please use your Congressional Representatives to propose an Ammendment. If you don't know the President is not selected by popular vote - if you don't know what the Electoral College is.... please read the US Constitution and lose your ignorance.
County by county 2000 election results
Counties won by Gore: 677
Counties won by Bush: 2,434
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
States won by Gore: 21
States won by Bush: 29
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Average Murder per 100,000
residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
Average Murder per 100,000
residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1
A10 Pilot
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TWAnr
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One set of numbers is conspicuously missing:
Gore: 50,999,897 48.38%
Bush: 50,456,002 47.87%
Nader: 2,882,955 2.74%
In addition, there was never a complete manual recount of the Florida vote. Every attempt was stopped by legal wrangling; the last one was stopped by the United States Supreme Court. The court then installed Bush as the winner by holding that there was not enough time, by the deadline to submit the Electoral College vote, to complete the recount that would have been completed had the court not halted the process for three days.
The news media "recount" was not official and its accuracy is in question.
To add insult to injury, President Bush, the legitimacy of whose election is in question, is acting as if he won a mandate in a landslide.
Gore: 50,999,897 48.38%
Bush: 50,456,002 47.87%
Nader: 2,882,955 2.74%
In addition, there was never a complete manual recount of the Florida vote. Every attempt was stopped by legal wrangling; the last one was stopped by the United States Supreme Court. The court then installed Bush as the winner by holding that there was not enough time, by the deadline to submit the Electoral College vote, to complete the recount that would have been completed had the court not halted the process for three days.
The news media "recount" was not official and its accuracy is in question.
To add insult to injury, President Bush, the legitimacy of whose election is in question, is acting as if he won a mandate in a landslide.
A10Pilot says: "President Bush WON the first count in Florida. He WON the first recount. He WON the second recount. He WON the third recount."
Greetings, Colonel. I never said that he didn't, (although in fact he did no such thing); I said he didn't win the election. Considering that in the state of Florida the election commision hand picked by one Jeb Bush unilaterally and inexplicably decided to exclude thousands of voters (from predominantly Democratic districts,incidentally) from even voting, produced confusing and inconsistent procedures both for voting and for counting and handling of the ballots and then, when it became obvious the important role Florida would play did everything they could to impede the process; there was no election in Florida, therefore no election for him to win.
A10Pilot says: "If you knew anything about the US Constitution, you would know the Supreme Court did not select President Bush. They merely did not go along with the democrat's plan to selectively recount in a very small fraction of the counties of Florida, hoping to change the election results."
I'm sorry if you weren't aware, Colonel, but even those of us who don't get to go to the "O CLub" after a days work are allowed to earn an education. At least for the time being, that is. Indeed, when I went to school we were told to memorize as much as we could of the Constitution so that we would know when someone was trying to take away the rights, or shirk the responsibilities, contained therein./
As you may have forgotten, the Democrats only agreed to a partial recount as a compromise to expedite the recall process. Apparently they naively believed that an independent analysis of the facts would show the need for a full recount. Perhaps it would have but we will never know since the GOP-dominated Supreme Court chose not to take on the investigation. Remember Colonel, an act of omission is still an act and by that act they selected Bush.
A10Pilot says: "If the result would not have been certified via the statewide popular vote - it would have gone to the Florida legislature for final determination."
Indeed, it never was. Only a partial count was used for a "final" count and the question of those voters illegally denied their right to vote was never addressed.
A10Pilot says: "The legislature would have voted for President Bush. Period. End of Story."
Indeed? Luckily for our nation it isn't the end of the story just because one side says so. We condemn other nations for far less egregious election rigging than that which occurred in Florida in 2000, and those of us who have taken the time to investigate both sides of the issue will not only continue to question the legitimacy of the Bush 'election' but will be watching very closely in the future should such antics be attempted again.
A10Pilot says: "But, it didn't get that far."
Indeed, to the eternal shame of our nation, it did not. It was not allowed to.
A10Pilot says: "Take a look at the county by county map of the US and you will see how overwhelmingly Bush beat gore."
Perhaps you mean Gore? Or should I start referring to 'bush'?
Thanks for providing the pretty colored map thoughtfully provided by the Oak Park Republican Party. I'm sure we can all rely on them for a fair and impartial analysis, or, using the slogan of that "left wing media" outlet Fox News, should I say "Fair and Balanced"? I notice it contains many statistics but excludes one: Popular Vote Count. I wonder why?
A10Pilot says: "If you don't like the Electoral College system of electing our President, please use your Congressional Representatives to propose an Ammendment."
Unfortuately I am quite familiar with the antiquated Electoral College, a left over from the early days of our nation when travel was by horse and even county elections took days to decide. Indeed, I have written to my elected representatives asking that it be abolished. I even signed the petition of the Republicans who sought its abolishment in 1993 and 1997. I waited for them to bring one around in 2001 but for some reason they didn't.
A10Pilot says: "If you don't know the President is not selected by popular vote - if you don't know what the Electoral College is.... please read the US Constitution and lose your ignorance."
I find it interesting that not once but twice in your post you took the time to question my knowledge of the Constitution, and by implication either my intelligence, patriotism or both. A schoolyard tactic we learned to avoid in speech-debate class in the ninth grade when I was in school.
Before you wrap yourself in the flag in an attempt to lend extra weight to your arguments, it might do to remember that many served before you just as many will serve after you and not all were or will be Republicans. If they are then the nation they think they're fighting for will have ceased to exist.
When I did my fighting for our country it was not from an armored gun tub travelling at hundreds of knots per hour thousands of feet in the air but on the ground where I could see their eyes as I killed them. Does that make me more qualified to be an American than you? Should we compare medals? No, because it does not matter, nor does rank or any of the other trappings of status. We each get one vote, theoretically anyhow.
I realize that you probably cannot understand how anyone could have the temerity to question what you apparently believe to be fact, but I believe it is not only my right but, more importantly, my responsibility to do so. An earlier version of the US Supreme Court, in 1943, heard a case involving the state of West Virginia requiring a loyalty oath from its citizens and stated, in part:
"...Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard." (West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnett, 1943)
No, Colonel, based on the evidence I have seen, taken from both sides of the argument, I do not believe that George Bush was elected President of the United States. Like another 'left wing' Liberal I believe that:
"Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain
Thankfully I need neither your permission nor your approval to do so. Yet.
Greetings, Colonel. I never said that he didn't, (although in fact he did no such thing); I said he didn't win the election. Considering that in the state of Florida the election commision hand picked by one Jeb Bush unilaterally and inexplicably decided to exclude thousands of voters (from predominantly Democratic districts,incidentally) from even voting, produced confusing and inconsistent procedures both for voting and for counting and handling of the ballots and then, when it became obvious the important role Florida would play did everything they could to impede the process; there was no election in Florida, therefore no election for him to win.
A10Pilot says: "If you knew anything about the US Constitution, you would know the Supreme Court did not select President Bush. They merely did not go along with the democrat's plan to selectively recount in a very small fraction of the counties of Florida, hoping to change the election results."
I'm sorry if you weren't aware, Colonel, but even those of us who don't get to go to the "O CLub" after a days work are allowed to earn an education. At least for the time being, that is. Indeed, when I went to school we were told to memorize as much as we could of the Constitution so that we would know when someone was trying to take away the rights, or shirk the responsibilities, contained therein./
As you may have forgotten, the Democrats only agreed to a partial recount as a compromise to expedite the recall process. Apparently they naively believed that an independent analysis of the facts would show the need for a full recount. Perhaps it would have but we will never know since the GOP-dominated Supreme Court chose not to take on the investigation. Remember Colonel, an act of omission is still an act and by that act they selected Bush.
A10Pilot says: "If the result would not have been certified via the statewide popular vote - it would have gone to the Florida legislature for final determination."
Indeed, it never was. Only a partial count was used for a "final" count and the question of those voters illegally denied their right to vote was never addressed.
A10Pilot says: "The legislature would have voted for President Bush. Period. End of Story."
Indeed? Luckily for our nation it isn't the end of the story just because one side says so. We condemn other nations for far less egregious election rigging than that which occurred in Florida in 2000, and those of us who have taken the time to investigate both sides of the issue will not only continue to question the legitimacy of the Bush 'election' but will be watching very closely in the future should such antics be attempted again.
A10Pilot says: "But, it didn't get that far."
Indeed, to the eternal shame of our nation, it did not. It was not allowed to.
A10Pilot says: "Take a look at the county by county map of the US and you will see how overwhelmingly Bush beat gore."
Perhaps you mean Gore? Or should I start referring to 'bush'?
Thanks for providing the pretty colored map thoughtfully provided by the Oak Park Republican Party. I'm sure we can all rely on them for a fair and impartial analysis, or, using the slogan of that "left wing media" outlet Fox News, should I say "Fair and Balanced"? I notice it contains many statistics but excludes one: Popular Vote Count. I wonder why?
A10Pilot says: "If you don't like the Electoral College system of electing our President, please use your Congressional Representatives to propose an Ammendment."
Unfortuately I am quite familiar with the antiquated Electoral College, a left over from the early days of our nation when travel was by horse and even county elections took days to decide. Indeed, I have written to my elected representatives asking that it be abolished. I even signed the petition of the Republicans who sought its abolishment in 1993 and 1997. I waited for them to bring one around in 2001 but for some reason they didn't.
A10Pilot says: "If you don't know the President is not selected by popular vote - if you don't know what the Electoral College is.... please read the US Constitution and lose your ignorance."
I find it interesting that not once but twice in your post you took the time to question my knowledge of the Constitution, and by implication either my intelligence, patriotism or both. A schoolyard tactic we learned to avoid in speech-debate class in the ninth grade when I was in school.
Before you wrap yourself in the flag in an attempt to lend extra weight to your arguments, it might do to remember that many served before you just as many will serve after you and not all were or will be Republicans. If they are then the nation they think they're fighting for will have ceased to exist.
When I did my fighting for our country it was not from an armored gun tub travelling at hundreds of knots per hour thousands of feet in the air but on the ground where I could see their eyes as I killed them. Does that make me more qualified to be an American than you? Should we compare medals? No, because it does not matter, nor does rank or any of the other trappings of status. We each get one vote, theoretically anyhow.
I realize that you probably cannot understand how anyone could have the temerity to question what you apparently believe to be fact, but I believe it is not only my right but, more importantly, my responsibility to do so. An earlier version of the US Supreme Court, in 1943, heard a case involving the state of West Virginia requiring a loyalty oath from its citizens and stated, in part:
"...Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard." (West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnett, 1943)
No, Colonel, based on the evidence I have seen, taken from both sides of the argument, I do not believe that George Bush was elected President of the United States. Like another 'left wing' Liberal I believe that:
"Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain
Thankfully I need neither your permission nor your approval to do so. Yet.
