First 757 to outsourced MRO

[FWAAA]

Actually, the treaty was signed by Pres. George Bush, the first--a Republican. It was not ratified by the U.S. Senate until after Clinton took office--ratified by a REPUBLICAN controlled U.S. Senate. N.A.F.T.A is a treaty, not a law. Since it is a treaty, there was no need for President Clinton to sign it. It had already been signed by President Bush. It only needed ratification by the U.S. Senate.

Actually, the Senate was controlled by Democrats late in 1993 by a margin of 57-43 as a result of the 1992 elections. Nevertheless, 27 Democrats in the Senate voted in favor of NAFTA, joining 34 Republicans.

 

[jimntx]

However, it is your good Republican rich guys that want NAFTA to stay in place. Cheap labor abounds as long as NAFTA is in force. If the money boys wanted NAFTA gone, it would be gone. For that matter, if NAFTA is such a Democrat/Clinton thing that is bad for the country, why didn't your boy, Georgie get it repealed?

 

[Buck]

Looks like DL is expanding their aircraft maintenance relationship with Aeromexico. DL just announced a big investment in the MX MRO so they can do 737 and MD80 work. Article said widebody capacity will be added in the second phase. Gotta love that NAFTA! Is this part of that big flushing sound Ross Perot talked about?

Read in Aviation Week

So if jobs are leaving the U.S. based on your assumption that Airlines are outsourcing their checks based on NAFTA, then what should the TWU do about it?

Again the president can stop it by executive order.

Maybe Little Jim can call Barack?

 

[iluvaa]

So if jobs are leaving the U.S. based on your assumption that Airlines are outsourcing their checks based on NAFTA, then what should the TWU do about it?

Again the president can stop it by executive order.

Maybe Little Jim can call Barack?

um deny, um change the subject, ummmmm lie if I have to

 

[FWAAA]

So timco is getting well over a month for a C check? Where is the savings in that?

According to AA, narrowbody heavy C checks typically take three to five weeks:

Narrowbody "C" Checks
American does two types of "C" checks on its narrowbody planes. The first is a "Light C" check, which occurs approximately every 15 - 18 months. It requires approximately 2,100 man-hours and three days to accomplish. Every fourth "Light C" check becomes a "Heavy C" check. This check requires 20,000 - 30,000 man-hours and takes from three to five weeks to accomplish.

If the above is incorrect, then how long does a typical 757 heavy C check take?

The potential savings arise if Timco is able to perform the work for less money than the total cost of having AA's employees perform the work. The length of time the plane is out of service is of no real consequence right now, since every analyst has been calling for AA to reduce capacity due to high fuel prices and slack demand. If Timco's price is right, it probably doesn't matter how long it takes. The time a plane is out of service matters a whole hell of a lot more when flying it produces profits (not a situation facing AA since 2007).

 

[jimntx]

IT was signed into law by Bill Clinton

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You're absolutely correct. My mistake. However, from the history of NAFTA..."In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the United States Senate, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members."

 

[FWAAA]

Republicans thought that higher tariffs on imported goods was a good idea more than 80 years ago, but the Great Depression just got worse after it was passed. I would have thought that Republicans and Democrats would have both learned lessons from the Smoot-Hawley Act, but ignorance is difficult to eradicate. Free trade isn't a Republican or Democrat ideal - it should be the goal of all who love freedom.

To be fair, very few Democrats voted for Smoot-Hawley. Nearly all of the yes votes were Republicans. Just another reason that Republicans took it on the chin in the 1930 and 1932 elections. For some unknown reason, unions tend to hate free trade - but some unions actually like free trade: the longshoremen that NHBB used to speak of so glowingly. Free trade means even more shipping containers, meaning even more work and higher pay for the longshoremen who get to unload all that cargo.

 

[eolesen]

So timco is getting well over a month for a C check? Where is the savings in that?

This was discussed not too long ago -- the normal timeframe is 22-28 days for the TWU according to people here as well as one of the consultants I know who worked in TUL.

The 06Dec ETR works out to about 27 weekdays:

• Assuming they started work on 27Oct, that's 3 days in October
• There are only 21 workdays in November when you factor out Thanksgiving
• Assuming it is handed over to AA on the 5th, that's 3 days in December

For some unknown reason, unions tend to hate free trade - but some unions actually like free trade: the longshoremen that NHBB used to speak of so glowingly. Free trade means even more shipping containers, meaning even more work and higher pay for the longshoremen who get to unload all that cargo.

... as do the unionized railroad employees moving it...

I live near one of the mainlines between California and Illinois: 44 trains a day, of which 30+ are container trains and another six or seven are auto-racks coming in a direction from which there are no factories... in the US, that is.

 

[Mr Red]

Republicans thought that higher tariffs on imported goods was a good idea more than 80 years ago, but the Great Depression just got worse after it was passed. I would have thought that Republicans and Democrats would have both learned lessons from the Smoot-Hawley Act, but ignorance is difficult to eradicate. Free trade isn't a Republican or Democrat ideal - it should be the goal of all who love freedom.

To be fair, very few Democrats voted for Smoot-Hawley. Nearly all of the yes votes were Republicans. Just another reason that Republicans took it on the chin in the 1930 and 1932 elections. For some unknown reason, unions tend to hate free trade - but some unions actually like free trade: the longshoremen that NHBB used to speak of so glowingly. Free trade means even more shipping containers, meaning even more work and higher pay for the longshoremen who get to unload all that cargo.

Free trades been GREAT ................FOR CHINA !!!

 

[TWU informer]

According to AA, narrowbody heavy C checks typically take three to five weeks:



If the above is incorrect, then how long does a typical 757 heavy C check take?

The potential savings arise if Timco is able to perform the work for less money than the total cost of having AA's employees perform the work. The length of time the plane is out of service is of no real consequence right now, since every analyst has been calling for AA to reduce capacity due to high fuel prices and slack demand. If Timco's price is right, it probably doesn't matter how long it takes. The time a plane is out of service matters a whole hell of a lot more when flying it produces profits (not a situation facing AA since 2007).

I bet this is not the way AA presents their sympathy in arbitration.

 

[FWAAA]

I bet this is not the way AA presents their sympathy in arbitration.

I don't doubt that you're correct.

Of course, tonight's 777 to London is a different story - it needs repaired yesterday because of the 235 passengers who are waiting. A 757 that's getting its scheduled tear-down and rebuild? If the price is right, they could take 3 months and it wouldn't much matter. Within reason, of course - if it takes a year or two, the rent/lease/debt service on the plane would begin to eat away at the savings. Three weeks? Five weeks? Eight weeks? Only matters if profits can be made by putting it back in the air quickly.

 

[Bob Owens]

Free trade isn't a Republican or Democrat ideal - it should be the goal of all who love freedom.

Unless you want to fill your prescriptions in Canada or buy cigars in Cuba.

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't doubt that you're correct.

Of course, tonight's 777 to London is a different story - it needs repaired yesterday because of the 235 passengers who are waiting. A 757 that's getting its scheduled tear-down and rebuild? If the price is right, they could take 3 months and it wouldn't much matter. Within reason, of course - if it takes a year or two, the rent/lease/debt service on the plane would begin to eat away at the savings. Three weeks? Five weeks? Eight weeks? Only matters if profits can be made by putting it back in the air quickly.

Then why bother sending them to Timco? Obvious they need them, not enough to warrant pushing back some mods but badly enough to blow the budget by doing the mods and the heavy checks at the same time.

 

[wrencher]

Then why bother sending them to Timco? Obvious they need them, not enough to warrant pushing back some mods but badly enough to blow the budget by doing the mods and the heavy checks at the same time.

We used to do this work at MCI ,then they shut us down, everyone seemed to be ok with that it seems ,as long as they could get our worthless Gordon Clark, but he is still there for some reason, then they farm the work out, man I've heard more bitchin when we were open doing the work than it being outsourced to timco. WAKE up people it's not going to stop at four, now.

 

[Birdman]

The 06Dec ETR works out to about 27 weekdays:

I thought MRO's worked 7 days a week.