Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

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  1. townpete

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    Looks to me like they sold out the group.
     
    Nice job at the back-pedaling tho.....
     
  2. townpete

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    Top Things to Know about the IAM

    • Can’t guarantee anything
      Pay, benefits and work rules would all be subject to negotiations
    • Potential card fraud at Delta
      The IAM withdrew its flight attendant election application in April 2015 after the NMB found that some of the submitted A-Cards contained fraudulent signatures
    • Already rejected by thousands of Delta people
      Five workgroups rejected the IAM post-merger
    • Doesn’t know flight attendants
      Represents 2,300 flight attendants at two small US-based regional carriers
    • Doesn’t value profit sharing
      Led the way in giving it up at US Airways and again at American
    • Doesn’t support Delta people
      Opposed the Delta-Northwest merger and supports Boeing interests even when adverse to those of Delta’s people
    • It’s a big businesses
      The IAM’s annual budget exceeds $175M and your annual dues would likely be $700 or more
    • Requires you to pay dues or be fired
      IAM airline contracts provide for employees to be terminated for failure to pay dues
    • Losing members
      Has lost over a third of its dues paying members in the last 25 years
    • Doesn’t respect different views
      You can be fined, suspended or expelled from membership if you support other unions or getting rid of the IAM
     
     
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  3. townpete

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    The IAM and Flight Attendants

    • IAM represents flight attendants at only two US-based air carriers, both regional airlines – CommutAir and ExpressJet.
    • At CommutAir, the Machinists took almost 7 years to negotiate a first contract for fewer than 150 flight attendants.
    • At ExpressJet (approximately 2,100 flight attendants), negotiations for a joint contract following the merger with Atlantic Southeast have exceeded 3 years, without a tentative agreement.
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  4. 700UW

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    Look petey is a Ford and Harrison puppet or is it a parrot?
     
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    this from the IAM's biggest TOOL.    too funny
     
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  7. Kev3188

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    I'm still curious what the "real story" on 777 staffing is.

    Baba?
     
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  8. townpete

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    Yeah no joke...
     
  9. 700UW

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    Here Kevin, since BABA wont answer you.

     
    So if you bid a month ahead of time, how are they going to determine and staff when the loads are over 225 passengers when they arent when you bid but are over the 225 mark on the day of the flight?
     
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  11. 700UW

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    Range and Payload.
     
    And your link to another message board shows nothing but a link to Wiki.
     
    You didnt know that?
     
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    umm the same way we  have been doing it for years on the 76L and the 764.
    its called variable staffing. 
    Staffing for the 291 passenger 777 (18 a/c) will now
    match the staffing for the 293 Passenger A330
     
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    Please walk me through variable staffing- or rather why this should't be seen as a $5M giveback in an era of unprecedented profits.

    I'm not trying to be obtuse; I really would like to understand the "real story" here.

    Thanks.
     
  14. 700UW

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    Scenario:

    You bid in February for March, the load is 150, so when and whom decides on how to get the additional FA when the load increases?
     
  15. BABABOOY

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    never said nor thought that this isn't a 5 mil savings.
    variable staffing:  example is on the 76L .  Most but not all staffing is 7
    when bidding. (usually during the winter)  The 8th position becomes avail (based on passenger count)
    5 days out.  Another chance for f/a to pick up position. This extra position can be filled all the way until sign in of trip.
    The only time this really happens is during the winter with light loads.  During
    the summer bid positions are usually 8 with this a/c.
    Delta uses the "variable position " on the 76L and 764 and now the 777
     
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