Bob, in case you do not know 700 and I were in a long long dispute back and forth about this. My thinking was exactly as yours about the deception, and scare tactics. I have posted numerous times the exact email I received back from Don West @ the NMB. Here's a blip from the US forums where 700 was pushing this issue. And other responses included. Bob I have also provided the emails and contact numbers to reach Don West personally and he (700) refuses to inquire about it on his own and will continue to listen to the IAM leadership on what will happen. Sorry to everyone else for the revisit of this subject, but it is extremely important at this time and I am still shocked that no-else has look into this on there own for verification. Bob the IAM is pushing the fact that the NMB is going to run the election, which if that were true the membership would have more options. Bob could you possibly (as a third party not tied to me or 700) throw an e-mail out to Don West at NMB as this is going to affect your members as well? Now below are some postings with the claims:-
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'700UW', on 05 Sept 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:
Ah, you make this too easy, read this:
And here proof the NMB handles alliance votes between two unions, you made this way too easy, read the determination from the NMB.
http://www.nmb.gov/r...2006/33n031.pdf
This determination addresses the representation consequences of the application filed by the Airline Customer Service Employee Association, IBT-CWA (Association) for the craft or class of Passenger Service Employees, employees of US Airways.
The Board finds that the Association is the certified representative of the entire craft or class of Passenger Service Employees in the single transportation system (R-7085). The Board extinguishes the certifications held by CWA for this craft or class on East (R-6435) and by the IBT on West (R-7011).
'ThirdSeatHero', on 05 Sept 2013 - 2:13 PM, said:
The IAM/TWU alliance is a maneuver designed to deny the combined membership a say in their representation.
This example cited by 700 is the simplest explanation ....
What the NMB told swamt is true, they DO NOT have jurisdiction over union alliances or mergers.
What is occurring here is that neither the IAM nor the TWU will file for representation on their own with the NMB. They will file, AS ONE, with the NMB as the IAM/TWU alliance. The memberships at AA and US never having a say on alliance before the vote.
So 700s example would play out as the IAM/TWU alliance is certified, and the individual certifications of the TWU at AA and the IAM at US are extinguished.
Minus any intervenors once an STS investigation is concluded the vote is either the alliance or non-union. The IAM/TWU has denied the membership a say in this alliance, and are counting on them not to vote "no union"
As swamt has said, the memberships at both AA & US need to educate themselves. Specifically with the ability to have another group, chosen by the membership, file as an intervenor.
Again from one of my previous posts ...
Until there is a completed merger, there can't be an investigation into a Single Transportation System or STS.
Until there is a completed NMB STS investigation there cannot be an election.
If/When the NMB STS investigation is complete, AND the merged carriers are considered a STS for the class and craft in question, then there is a window for intervenors to file a showing of interest and be added to the ballot.
If you are satisfied with the IAM/TWU alliance, then simply wait and vote accordingly.
If you are NOT satisfied, then take action and have your choice for representation file as an intervenor when the time comes.
The choice is still yours to make.
First and foremost; Thank you Thirdseathero, for seeing thru all this BS 700 is twisting and turning. Now for you 700, NOTHING you have posted has proven that the NMB ran the elections of any alliance, combination, or merger of 2 unions. The only thing you posted was that they did an investigation to an application for the cert to be transferred, and as long as there was no protest, or other unions that wanted to get in then they blessed it with a new certification. They (the NMB) still did not run, control, or perform the election of the alliance, combination, or merger of 2 unions coming together to represent both airline employees PERIOD. You always post for others to quit their lying out here. You 700 need to quit posting the lies of the NMB conducting the elections of 2 unions coming together. Again I will repeat, just like a father to his kids, because I have to, the NMB WILL NOT conduct, run, control, or perform an election for the mechanics and related at AA and US who are represented by the TWU and IAM respectively, as they have put in writing to me by e-mail the following, and I QUOTE:- " The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections", they will investigate the cert transfers after they receive the application, but this is after the unions conducted the election and sent the results with NO OTHER unions claiming an interest to represent and then they will transfer the certs. NOTHING you have posted shows or proves that the NMB held, controlled, ran, or conducted any elections in the past for 2 unions combining, merging, creating an alliance or what ever you guys want to call it today. Give it up 700, your deceit postings have been brought to light. Your lies are now brought to light. Nothing from the NMB web sites you provide even indicate they held the elections, they only say they investigated and transferred the cert after there were no other interest of other unions to represent. Give it up 700. Your credibility is now a big fat "0". I know your gonna say you received all this info from your "mentor" 20 year old best friend at the IAM. STOP and gather the info for yourself. I recommended for you to do this and you chose not to, now you look like a fool. I dare you to call or write the NMB at 202-692-5050 or
[email protected] and ask if they would run the election for the alliance of the TWU and IAM combination. Your answer, I guarantee will be NO. I also recommend any AA and US mechanic to do the same (don't believe me) get the information yourselves and you too will be told " The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections.
Have a wonderful day and stop with your BS deceitful postings to try and force the memberships to vote for the bottom of the barrel 2 unions or they will be non-union... You kill me with your intentions as they are not true and for the betterment of the union members, it is ONLY for the betterment of the TWU/IAM dues to continue coming in.