JetBlue aka PeoplExpress

[CaptBud330]

Sure looks like JetBlue is going the same route as Peoples.

 

[Flufdriver]

Your right CaptBud330, and PE didn't have all the low cost "GIVEAWAY EVERYTHING" airlines to comete with. Should be interesting to watch!

 

[featheroleather]

PEX might have survived if more of the females wore make-up. (Trust me I dated a few of em)

 

[Diversion]

Sure looks like JetBlue is going the same route as Peoples.

I've made the same observation myself. There are definite similarities.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Boys are nervous, eh?

Pretty women assure the success of a business?? Your ignorance is self-revealing.

Idiots.

 

[LGA / 037]

Biggest mistake so far is the addition of the EMB's. Even if they were flawless with no problems they just doubled their unit cost. They should have kept single aircraft type for the time being.

 

[Dizel8]

Even if they were flawless with no problems they just doubled their unit cost.

How do you figure?

 

[KCFlyer]

How do you figure?

They pretty much admitted that the EMB's would raise their costs. It was only a penny, but it was still about a 15% increase in costs. I'm not one to bash JetBlue, but I was skeptical of the EMB decision back when it was first announced.

 

[Dizel8]

15% percent vs doubled, they seem to be pretty far apart!

 

[LGA / 037]

How do you figure?

When you add a second type of aircraft type to the fleet , You need a second type of Ground equipment, a second type of avionics , tires , engine parts , training, right down to the seatbelts and cushions and galley door hinges. USAirways after the PI merger had 9 different aircraft types and it cost dearly. Couple that with the price of fuel now v.s. then , In my opinion, they should have deferred orders but then I'm sure there were competetive reasons why they went forward.

 

[Borescope]

When you add a second type of aircraft type to the fleet , You need a second type of Ground equipment, a second type of avionics , tires , engine parts , training, right down to the seatbelts and cushions and galley door hinges.

So what your saying isl this will put their unit costs in the neighborhood of 13 to 15 cents per ASM. Sure they have raised their costs, but no where near what you suggest.

 

[Ch. 12]

Wasn't LGA/037's post referring to UNIT costs? Since there are 36% fewer seats in the E190 than in the A320, the E190's being flown on shorter stage lengths, and a more agressive E190 delivery schedule, the UNIT cost (CASM) will definitely go up much more than 15% but less than 100%. As with everything...the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[LGA / 037]

Wasn't LGA/037's post referring to UNIT costs?


Exactly , but I should have thrown in the CASM 's as part of the post.

 

[SoftLanding]

Here are some numbers from a SEC filing:

2005 only:

Passenger revenue per ASM (cents) 6.84
Operating revenue per ASM (cents) 7.18
Operating expense per ASM (cents) 6.98
Operating expense per ASM, excluding fuel (cents) 4.92

Also, just a handfull of E190's on the property at the end of 2005.
http://ccbn.tenkwizard.com/filing.php?repo...F0000&VL=800080

 

[flite]

Here are some numbers from a SEC filing:

2005 only:

Passenger revenue per ASM (cents) 6.84
Operating revenue per ASM (cents) 7.18
Operating expense per ASM (cents) 6.98
Operating expense per ASM, excluding fuel (cents) 4.92

Your 2005 CASM numbers are misleading, as they ignore the troubling trend. Quarterly CASM rose from 6.74 cents in 1Q 2005, to 7.51 cents in 4Q.

And CASM is trending even higher today, and well above breakeven. Post today's numbers, and compare them to last years, for a more accurate picture of the problem.