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Well, how about a little more liberal "i just made a jerk of myself" wiggling for us on the right.
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You showed your patriotism tonight by your willingness to go to Canada while every mothers sons accepted and fulfilled their call to serve. KC and his daughter would have been shot in the back.
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NICE TRY dell,......dissing KCF that way. NOT ! !
Truth be told d-dude,...........Nam WAS Another Phoney war,...and If I knew NOW, what I didn't know then,....my arse WOULD NOT have enlisted in the Navy, back in mid september/65' !!
How Many times do I have to "point out" that the two most dangerous types of people in the good ol' USA (to themselves and OTHERS are) Religious FANATICS, and Blind PATRIOTS.
I've got no time to mourn anyone, who goes off and gets involved in a PHONEY WAR, and the trip turns out to be a ONE WAY trip.
What can I say. I DON'T suffer FOOLS easily ! !
" C A V E A T - E M P T O R " (you dig,......dell m'boy) ?
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My only other alternative would have been to exercise my second amendment right and fight the tyranny of our government conducting terrorist attacks in other countries and ordering my kid to go do their dirty work. Trouble is, the punishment for that is a lot worse than being called a deserter.
It's interesting because that was in Iraq. In 1991. we went to war with Iraq - do you remember why? I'll refresh your memory - it's because they conducted an offensive invasion of Kuwait to get their oil.. They were bad and Hussein was a evil man. Then in 2003 we do....THE EXACT SAME THING TO IRAQ. Seems to me that puts Bush in the same league as Saddam.
If there's ever a "PHONEY WAR": How could anyone be killed in it?
"What can I say. I DON'T suffer FOOLS easily ! !" How do you live with yourself then?
"fight the tyranny"..? That would've required a spine, which was demonstrated as absent with the notions of running away to canada in the first place. BTW; If you had one, you wouldn't be much concerned with such trifles as "the punishment for that is a lot worse than being called a deserter. "
"They were bad and Hussein was a evil man." Do you believe otherwise?
"Then in 2003 we do....THE EXACT SAME THING TO IRAQ." Wasn't Saddam still in power?....Stupidly left so by the inept ending of Desert Storm?
I don't defend the stupidity within government...ever, but always find it offensive that people actually exist who have elevated Cowardice into some sort of supposed "virtue", as do yourself and Newhampshire here.
PS: To Dell...Had little Georgey junior really wanted to fight in Viet Nam...it'd wouldn't have been any problem at all for him to volunteer for active duty there and go. He's just another pathetic little puzzy.
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Another one of your bullsh!t stories. Why don't you try doing a little research before running your mouth.
The controversy over Bush’s service centers on what his critics call “the period in question,” that is, the time from May 1972 until May 1973. What is not mentioned as often is that that period was in fact Bush’s fifth year in the Guard, one that followed four years of often intense service.
Bush joined in May 1968. He went through six weeks of basic training — a full-time job — at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Then he underwent 53 weeks of flight training — again, full time — at Moody Air Force Base in Valdosta, Ga. Then he underwent 21 weeks of fighter interceptor training — full time — at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston. Counting other, shorter, postings in between, by the end of his training period Bush had served two years on active duty.
Certified to fly the F-102 fighter plane, Bush then began a period of frequent — usually weekly — flying. The F-102 was designed to shoot down other fighter planes, and the missions Bush flew were training flights, mostly over the Gulf of Mexico and often at night, in which pilots took turns being the predator and the prey.”If you’re going to practice how to shoot down another airplane, then you have to have another airplane up there to work on,” recalls retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971. “He’d be the target for the first half of the mission, and then we’d switch.”
During that period Bush’s superiors gave him consistently high ratings as a pilot. “Lt. Bush is an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer,” wrote one in a 1972 evaluation. Another evaluation, in 1971, called Bush “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a third rating, in 1970, said Bush “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was also “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”
All that flying involved quite a bit of work. “Being a pilot is more than just a monthly appearance,” says Bob Harmon, a former Guard pilot who was a member of Bush’s group in 1971 and 1972. “You cannot maintain your currency by doing just one drill a month. He was flying once or twice a week during that time, from May of 1971 until May of 1972.” While the work was certainly not as dangerous as fighting in the jungles of Vietnam, it wasn’t exactly safe, either. Harmon remembers a half-dozen Texas Air National Guard fliers who died in accidents over the years, in cluding one during the time Bush was flying. “This was not an endeavor without risk,” Harmon notes. . . .
The president’s critics have charged that he did not show up for service — was “AWOL” — in Alabama. Bush says he did serve, and his case is supported by records showing that he was paid and given retirement credit for days of service while he was known to be in Alabama. The records also show that Bush received a dental examination on January 6, 1973, at Dannelly Air National Guard base, home of the 187th (January 6 was one of the days that pay records show Bush receiving credit for service). And while a number of Guard members at the base say they do not remember seeing Bush among the roughly 900 men who served there during that time, another member, a retired lieutenant named John Calhoun, says he remembers seeing Bush at the base several times.
What seems most likely is that Bush was indeed at Dannelly, but there was not very much for a non-flying pilot to do. Flying fighter jets involves constant practice and training; Bush had to know when he left Texas that he would no longer be able to engage in either one very often, which meant that he would essentially leave flying, at least for some substantial period of time. In addition, the 187th could not accommodate another pilot, at least regularly. “He was not going to fly,” says Turnipseed. “We didn’t have enough airplanes or sorties to handle our own pilots, so we wouldn’t have done it for some guy passing through.”
On the other hand, showing up for drills was still meeting one’s responsibility to the Guard. And, as 1973 went along, the evidence suggests that Bush stepped up his work to make up for the time he had missed earlier. In April of that year, he received credit for two days; in May, he received credit for 14 days; in June, five days; and in July, 19 days. That was the last service Bush performed in the Guard. Later that year, he asked for and received permission to leave the Guard early so he could attend Harvard Business School. He was given an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months, and five days of his original six-year commitment.
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