Plane skids off runway at LaGuardia

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  1. WorldTraveler

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    YOU are paranoid if you think that the conversations on this forum are threats to you or anyone else.


    and DL's social media policy does apply to discussing accidents and other DL internal information or anything that involves DL or its name at all.

    not hard to understand.

    tens of thousands of DL employees have had no problem for decades on end.
     
  2. topDawg

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    If i post info from DeltaNet that isn't public on this or any forum I can be fired. Look up Delta policy and try to understand it. It isn't being paranoid, it is what it is. 
     
  3. WorldTraveler

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    uh... I specifically have said that DLnet is internal information so we don't have any difference on that point.

    what you are clearly stumbling with is the fact that I am not Leo and if you want to make those remarks, then you should live with the consequences of your accusations.

    that is not a threat. It is a statement of justice, something you clearly don't believe in.
     
  4. Kev3188

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    +1


    We got the normal speech, and pieces of paper w/Corp Comm's # by most phones, but nothing in writing other than what is already in place.
     
  5. topDawg

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    It is a threat. Learn English. 
     
    but keep proving my point. The more you post the more you act like your boy. Threatening and belittling employees. Leo Mullen Management 101.
     
     
    and just for the record, no one at Delta is going to be stupid enough or lack the basic English skills to buy what you are selling. All one has to do is read over my posts and see that I am just telling the truth. The fact that you twist the basic FACT that Delta employees have no legal protection into me hating Delta is so amazingly stupid and sad its not funny.
     
    but like i said, you are great at being wrong, so at least if you are going to fail so hard you will be great at it. Also something you share with Leo.  You are also butt hurt and believe in punishing employees because they don't fall into your line of thinking. Not only is that illegal but it quite sad. You really, I mean REALLY, need to get a life. Play golf, take a trip, do something, because I promise you Delta is not going to support you in what you are doing right now. Probably a big reason they showed you the door. 
     
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  6. WorldTraveler

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    what's your point?

    you ramble on incessantly about Leo as if he is the ghost that is chasing you thru life. Is he? you seem mighty fixated with him.

    DL provides mental health benefits if it was all too painful for you.
     
  7. 700UW

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    Then go use them!
     
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  8. WorldTraveler

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    you of all people should realize I don't work for DL - you've had no problem remind me of that for months on end and now you suddenly are confused?
     
  9. robbedagain

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    IS there any update on the DL plane that skidded off the runway?  any new update from the NTSB?
     
  10. topDawg

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    Nope, you are just like him is all I am saying. 
     
    *active employee only* 
     
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  11. Kev3188

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    Not yet, no...
     
  12. robbedagain

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    The Atlanta Business Chronicle reports on the latest NTSB update

    http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2015/04/ntsb-issues-investigation-update-on-delta-accident.html?ana=yahoo&page=all

    The NTSB has formed two additional investigative groups that will investigate Airport Operations and Survival Factors. Existing groups include Operations and Human Performance, Airplane Performance, Flight Data Recorder, Cockpit Voice Recorder, and Maintenance Records.

    The Airport Operations group will document the snow-clearing plan in place at LaGuardia Airport and document snow clearing operations the day of the accident. Thus far, the group was provided information indicating that runway 13 was cleared approximately 20-25 minutes prior to the accident.

    The Survival Factors group will document the cabin safety aspects of the accident, and the emergency evacuation of the accident airplane.

    Other updates include:
    The Airworthiness group has completed its initial examination of the accident airplane. Several components have been removed from the accident airplane for further examination and testing. At this point, no pre-impact anomalies have been noted in the airplane structure, spoilers, thrust reversers, or braking system.
    The Operations group has found that four airplanes landed on runway 13 between the conclusion of snow-clearing operations at about 10:40 local time and the accident flight. It also determined that the airplane that landed three minutes before the accident flight was another Delta MD-88 airplane. The group has interviewed or obtained statements from all four flight crews. The group reviewed the Delta MD-88 pilot operational materials and found guidance to limit reverse engine pressure ratios (EPR) to 1.3 on contaminated runways.
    The Airplane Performance group continues to examine data from the FDR, ATC radar, weather, and ground scar information to determine the timeline of aircraft motion, pilot control inputs and forces acting on the airplane. Based on a preliminary readout and examination of the FDR data from the Flight Data Recorder group and preliminary calculations from the Airplane Performance group:

    o The airplane was aligned with the runway centerline during the approach to the runway.

    o The autopilot was engaged until the airplane was about 230 feet above the ground.

    o The airspeed during the final approach was about 140 knots.

    o The main landing gear touched down close to the runway centerline, at a speed of about 133 knots.

    o Two seconds after main gear touchdown both thrust reversers were deployed and engines began advancing in power.

    o The spoilers were fully deployed within 2.5 seconds after main gear touchdown.


    o The nose gear touched down and brake pressure began to rise in a manner consistent with autobrake application 2.8 seconds after the main gear touchdown.

    o About six seconds after main gear touchdown, the airplane’s heading began to diverge to the left. At this point, both the left and right engine EPR were about 1.9 with the reversers still deployed.

    o The engines reached peak recorded reverse thrust of 2.07 EPR on the left, and 1.91 EPR on the right, between six and seven seconds after touchdown. Engine thrust decreased after this point.


    o The thrust reversers were stowed nine seconds after main gear touchdown when the engines were both at about 1.6 EPR.

    o The airplane departed the left side of the runway approximately 14 seconds after main gear touchdown.


    The investigation is ongoing and any future updates will be issued as events warrant, the agency said.
     
  14. Glenn Quagmire

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    Sounding more and more like LIT.
     
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  16. Glenn Quagmire

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    Yep. Definitely not "textbook" with those EPR readings.

    "o About six seconds after main gear touchdown, the airplane’s heading began to diverge to the left. At this point, both the left and right engine EPR were about 1.9 with the reversers still deployed.
    o The engines reached peak recorded reverse thrust of 2.07 EPR on the left, and 1.91 EPR on the right, between six and seven seconds after touchdown. Engine thrust decreased after this point."

    http://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/PR20150402b.aspx
     
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  17. LD3

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    Did the NTSB release what the braking conditions were by the previous four aircraft that landed before the accident?
     
  18. Glenn Quagmire

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    Just this:

    "• The Airworthiness group has completed its initial examination of the accident airplane. Several components have been removed from the accident airplane for further examination and testing. At this point, no pre-impact anomalies have been noted in the airplane structure, spoilers, thrust reversers, or braking system.
    • The Operations group has found that four airplanes landed on runway 13 between the conclusion of snow-clearing operations at about 10:40 local time and the accident flight. It also determined that the airplane that landed three minutes before the accident flight was another Delta MD-88 airplane. The group has interviewed or obtained statements from all four flight crews. The group reviewed the Delta MD-88 pilot operational materials and found guidance to limit reverse engine pressure ratios (EPR) to 1.3 on contaminated runways."

    Unless they find a problem with the thrust levers, it appears at this point that the pilot did not follow the FOM for 1.3 EPR limit.

    Braking action was reported as good by ATC from previous aircraft.
     
  19. 700UW

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    So there goes the DL cheerleader's posts and theories.
     
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  20. WorldTraveler

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    it changes NOTHING about what I said about configuration for the landing and the touchdown.

    the problem clearly came after thrust reverse deployment and there were hints from the beginning that it might be thrust reverser related.
     

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