Priority List Question

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  1. ChrisUS

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    #1 ChrisUS, Dec 31, 2016
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    How do a family of D1's get on the list as D1T's for a ORDLAX flight leaving tomorrow at 12:05pm at 4:00pm today? Europe flights would have arrived this afternoon and there are flights before that today and tomorrow .
     
  2. jimntx

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    #2 jimntx, Dec 31, 2016
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    Your question doesn't make sense. Where are you coming from to be at ORD for the ORD/LAX flight? What airline are you flying into ORD? Are the family members arriving at ORD on different airlines from different originating cities?

    If you are not a true through passenger and want to game the system to make it think you are, don't bother. It's been tried and the possible penalties for attempting to game the non-rev system include termination. I know of one case where a DFW employee flew DFW-AUS on one PNR/Non-Rev listing.. Then attempted to fly AUS-DFW-CDG (IIRC) on a different PNR/Non-Rev listing as if his travel had originated in AUS. He is no longer with us.
     
  3. Jeepney

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    Really? That just proves the basic unfairness of the system. If a "hub employee" is willing to take the time and effort to fly to a "spoke city" to place him/herself on EQUAL footing with "spoke employees", what is the bg deal?

    What your are saying is that "spoke employees" have a permanent unfair advantage over "hub employees" simply because of where they live.

    It's a bad deal all around. That employee who is "no longer with us" was lucky to extricate him/herself from AWA. (Face it. It really is just a larger version of AWA now.)
     
  4. WeAAsles

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    The Hub employee has an advantage because all your World destinations fly out of those stations and if they can't get on the flight they can go home without any added expenditures of needing to stay in a Hotel and try again tomorrow.

    That's the idea behind the through employee getting priority. The "spoke" employee can be out a lot more money if they don't make the flight and have to get an overnight Hotel for them and they're family.

    The D1 or 2T is the best solution for making sure that Hub employee doesn't have that unfair advantage. If anything it can actually wind up working against the Hub employee if he really needs to get somewhere just as bad as that spoke employee.

    And "If" the original poster is trying to "game" the system it would be a very stupid thing to try. Absolutely not worth the risk of losing your flight privileges or even worse, your job.

    Flying without paying is a risk game. If you don't want to run the risk you should pay for a ticket like every other non airline employee has to do.
     
  5. jimntx

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    AMEN! For that matter on the airplane I've met a number of employees who have given up trying to non-rev and they just buy a ticket if they need to go somewhere. Let's face it. If you are non-revving it doesn't matter whether you are D1T, D2T, or just plain D99, your chances of getting on a flight are not good these days unless you are going to the ski resorts in the summer or the beach in the winter.
     
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    Who said anything about AWA? It was an AA employee several years before anyone even thought of or cared about AWA at AA.
     
  7. Vortilon

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    It's just the way the system is set up now. It's less than 24 hours, then a lot can happen. NR travel now isn't for the faint of heart. Even when you plan and watch for open flights to possibly get on, the company takes those open seats and sells them for pennies on the dollar to the internet discounters. The company should at least give the employees a stab at those un-sold seats first. So then that brings us back to paying for non-rev travel. There is the catch, Doug offers all employees free travel; unfortunately, there isn't any seats left to get on a flight cause the company dumped the open seats to the internet discounters for next to nothing. Then the discount ticket purchaser shows up to the kiosk, and promptly upgrades to first class for $50.00. lol
     
  8. WeAAsles

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    Exactly. American Airlines today was built from tons of other airlines being merged together over many years dating back before even most of our parents were born. And it will also be around long after we're gone now too IMO.

    So silly any time people make these ridiculous emotional comments.
     
  9. WeAAsles

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    #9 WeAAsles, Jan 1, 2017
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    I think we'd have the same advantage to purchase from the discounters as anyone else. But people would probably linger around hoping no one buys them so they can get on for free instead of having to shell out a couple of bucks to make sure?

    Besides Free Travel vs Profit? Which one would we really prefer?

    I think I'd rather the airline makes Profit myself. Don't ever want to ride the giveback train again.

    Currently 257 Million sitting in that Profit Sharing pool with the last quarter left to be announced.

    http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=117098&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2213314
     
  10. LuxuryLiner

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    My friend working at LAX said everyone goes to LAS..SFO...SAN then returns to LAX as a "T" just so they can get on the SYD...HKG and Hawaii flights. Does the company monitor this? There's a Facebook page called AA Nonrev and employees claim it's legal and not against the rules....just curious..
     
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    I know a few people who do it all the time without repercussions. I have never heard of it being against company policy. not saying it isn't, just haven't heard of any company admitted abuse.
     
  12. WeAAsles

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    Well against policy or not it still sounds like a crummy way to cut in front of the line against your fellow coworkers who want to get to places just as much as you do.

    If the company doesn't monitor the "scam" then they should. That scenario above would be very easy to catch if it was a same day travel.

    Set an example and restrict a few travel privileges for a few months and that BS will stop dead in its tracks when word gets out.
     
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    We're our own worst enemies.
     
  14. bob@las-AA

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    Nothing in the rules against that.
     
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    Being our own worst enemies? Yea unfortunately I'm well aware of that.
     
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    They probably originated on a flight from someplace like BUF, SYR, GRR, CLE, DTW or dozens of other cities that connect in ORD.
     
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    There needs to be changes to the Non Rev policies. Seems people don't read them or don't understand them, and ask 20 questions and get 20 different answers. I think there should be a video or lesson viewed or taken before your passes are activated for new hires. There are new hires at DFW who have been on the job for a week wanting to send their parents and D3s around the world while having no knowledge or experience with nonreving.
     
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    Ignorance is bliss!
     
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    Those damn kiosks!
     
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    I can tell you what the policy used to be when I managed things... You can check the Trip Book or Jetnot or whatever it's called now to see if it was changed, but this is what AA used to enforce.

    You cannot claim thru in your home/base city, including co-terminals. Therefore, if you work at BUR or ONT, you can't be a thru at LAX without violating the intent of the rule.

    The policy isn't enforced thru NRTP or Sabre. It's an honor system. Sometimes people got caught or reported by other travelers or by agents at the hub. HR would usually revoke travel for a year for someone like Jim's former co-worker. If they lost their job, then there was probably a lot more to the story.

    Going back to the original post... It's entirely possible for 1230 to be the first possible leg for someone flying out of South America or Asia. I don't know AA's schedule that closely anymore, but especially with holiday pulldowns, backtracking might have been the only way back to LAX for someone. Or, maybe they just really wanted to get J or premium economy for the long-haul...

    More generally -- you can also be a thru on the next day on a routing where the schedule doesn't permit a same day connection on any other routing. Someone coming in from a station with only 1 or 2 flights could very well be a legitimate ORD-LAX thru for noon tomorrow. Again, schedule dictates, and if Sabre recognizes the connection, I'm fairly certain they'll get automatically listed as a thru.
     
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