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We went to see Red Tails today and I was quite happy with the movie. The CGI was quite well executed in my opinion. Lucas was right in that it is a big story and too much for one movie. The movie is a snap shot of the middle of their service. There is hardly any mention of the obstacles they had to over come to even have a squadron formed, much less start flying.

Over all I still liked it and I hope that Lucas can/will produce the prequel and sequel assuming the move does well. Their story deserves to be told on the big screen and they deserve all the recognition they can get, what few are left. They over came overwhelming odds to fight for a country that treated them as third class citizens both before and after the war. They are true patriots and true American heroes in my opinion.

I hope everyone goes to see the movie to show their support.
 
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Ms Tree said:
We went to see Red Tails today and I was quite happy with the movie. The CGI was quite well executed in my opinion. Lucas was right in that it is a big story and too much for one movie. The movie is a snap shot of the middle of their service. There is hardly any mention of the obstacles they had to over come to even have a squadron formed, much less start flying.

Over all I still liked it and I hope that Lucas can/will produce the prequel and sequel assuming the move does well. Their story deserves to be told on the big screen and they deserve all the recognition they can get, what few are left. They over came overwhelming odds to fight for a country that treated them as third class citizens both before and after the war. They are true patriots and true American heroes in my opinion.

I hope everyone goes to see the movie to show their support.
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Geez and to think The Tuskegee Airmen accomplished what they did and make no mistake they did a lot. All without Affirmative Action.

Their reputation as skilled airmen spoke for itself. It's very nice and I'd argue long overdue to honor these men with a motion picture detailing their exploits.
 
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Not quite. Do you think a bunch of blacks just waled up to Congress and said we want to fly? Do you think they just said sure, knock your self out. Not to discount their ability by an y means but they were set up to be the best of the best by stupid white people who unbeknownst to them selves, set standards that were far higher then the those set for white air groups. The result was that the few who did manage to pass the requirements were already far better than those in white air groups. The backing and resulting popularity by association with the first lady along with a grant of $175k she got to buy land for them did not hurt either.

They were set up to fail by the system. Fortunately some of the people in the system were not too bright. With out the support of certain people (who were white) the Red Tails may very likely have been just a foot note in history. So while AA may not have been the official policy, in a manner of speaking, they are a direct result of it.
 
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Not quite. Do you think a bunch of blacks just waled up to Congress and said we want to fly? Do you think they just said sure, knock your self out. Not to discount their ability by an y means but they were set up to be the best of the best by stupid white people who unbeknownst to them selves, set standards that were far higher then the those set for white air groups. The result was that the few who did manage to pass the requirements were already far better than those in white air groups. The backing and resulting popularity by association with the first lady along with a grant of $175k she got to buy land for them did not hurt either.

They were set up to fail by the system. Fortunately some of the people in the system were not too bright. With out the support of certain people (who were white) the Red Tails may very likely have been just a foot note in history. So while AA may not have been the official policy, in a manner of speaking, they are a direct result of it.
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I think men of good will did the right thing. Maybe because they had an actual moral compass given to them by their faith in a higher power?

Nah, that couldn't have had anything to do with it. We all came out of the primordial ooze and just evolved at different rates. Maybe those folks that took a stand and did the right thing in giving the Red Tails their chance to show what they could had a belief in God and that all men are created equal.

I also think that your left handed Affirmative Action drivel shows Liberals & Progressives as the true racists they are. Implying that these brave men couldn't have excelled without the white man is an affront to every minority in the United States. Did they catch a few breaks? YES! However when it became time to climb into the cockpit and do battle they showed all of us that courage and bravery know no color.
 
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Geez and to think The Tuskegee Airmen accomplished what they did and make no mistake they did a lot. All without Affirmative Action.

Their reputation as skilled airmen spoke for itself. It's very nice and I'd argue long overdue to honor these men with a motion picture detailing their exploits.
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Totally agree !

And who doesn't love the sound of a P51 Mustang !
 
I was at an air show in San Diego a few years back. They had a fly by of a P-51, F-15 and a F22 The sound of the P-51 was the most intoxicating thing.

Also, when I lived in Tucson I used to go to the air races near Phoenix. There is very little that can compare to the sight and sound of a P-51 coming around a pylon 100 ft +/- off the deck with WOT. I sure as hell would not want to be on the receiving end of that planes wrath.

I think the P-51 and the P-38 are two of the best airplanes to come out of WWII.

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While I'm more of a Grumman fan I remember reading what Herman Goering once said. "When I saw Mustangs over Berlin I knew the gig was up."
 
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RE: P-51 Mustang

A fine aircraft so I'm told. It was a superior aircraft for it's time.
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While I agree with you, there are some Brits that might not - they'd put the Spitfire at the top of the list. They'd have something of a point since without the British order for what became the P-51 it's questionable whether it would have fired a shot in WW II - part of the deal with the U.S. government that allowed export of the P-51 to the Brits was that the USAAF got 2 to evaluate for free. The P-51A had an Allison engine but performance wasn't that great - 355 mph@12,000' and fairly short range thanks to the thirsty engine. While a good aircraft for light bombing/strafing missions, it was the P-51B with the RR Merlin engine (from the Spitfire) that had the speed plus the range to escort the bombers all the way to Germany. The P-51D added the bubble canopy and finally matched the image the name given to the original by the Brits evokes - the Mustang.

And there really isn't anything else that sounds like the Mustang at full chat...

Jim
 
Saw this awesome documentary on the only Mustang aerobatic team in the world on PBS last night. Check your local listings.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOqrIHCb6Ms
 
That's sure one high dollar civil acrobatic team...What's a good P-51 going for these days - $10 million?

Jim
 
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