US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Golf,

Management is mandated by law to reach an agreement with USAPA.

Regarding seniority management only has two choices.....They can either accept USAPA's integrated DOH list with C&R's or maintain the status quo of separate operations. It really doesn't make much difference which one they choose.

underpants
You got it pants. The really funny part of all of this is ALPA itself referred to Baptiste and Wilder in the MDA lawsuit with regard to backing their defense. Internal Union Affairs. The boys here just don't seem to have the inclination to wrap their minds around that awesome concept. No court can or will dictate to a union how they order their house with regard to seniority.
 
You sure do "hear" alot. Maybe they can turn their new fancy scanners on for a true "inside" look into usapa.
No, they are not really so interested in USAPA as the part they are really interested in. The part about how someone inside the company gave them sensitive information with regards to flight crews, and the one that really piques ones interest. That would be the fact the compromised data could have links to information regarding FFDO personnel, and their home addresses. That is the one that really gets peoples attention in law enforcement.
 
You got it pants. The really funny part of all of this is ALPA itself referred to Baptiste and Wilder in the MDA lawsuit with regard to backing their defense. Internal Union Affairs. The boys here just don't seem to have the inclination to wrap their minds around that awesome concept. No court can or will dictate to a union how they order their house with regard to seniority.
Unless of course there was a multi-party agreement between Management and the individual labor groups which specifically elucidated a process for how a new, integrated seniority list would be developed, and that specific process was followed all the way to the combined list being presented to and accepted by Management with consideration (money) provided in exchange for the same. Did B&W or ALPA mention anything about a multi-party transition agreement complicating the “internal union affairs” part of their legal opinions and briefs? If not, then they have missed a very important part of this issue and citing them doesn’t really help the cause. Management understands this. Wake understands this. Bybee understands this. Tashima and Graber seemed to have missed this in their haste to side with the union, as any good liberal judge is expected to do.
 
Regarding seniority management only has two choices.....They can either accept USAPA's integrated DOH list with C&R's or maintain the status quo of separate operations. It really doesn't make much difference which one they choose.

You got it pants.

You guys are funny...

Let's recap. A jury has said you're wrong. The 9th didn't say that the jury got it wrong, just that the case was premature. The company's legal team seems to think there's another choice. On the other side there's your opinion and nothing else.

Jim
 
Now the pilot’s have a new bargaining agent which wants to renege on agreements already accepted and Management is under no obligation to renegotiate for that which has already been accepted, especially when doing so may put them into serious legal peril.
Golf,

Well yes obviously the new bargaining agent has the exclusive authority and legal right to renegotiate and change the agreements already negotiated and accepted by the previous bargaining agent and management. That's why it's called a "new" agreement.

And yes management does have an obligation by law to negotiate a new agreement with USAPA.

And yes we understand that regardless of what the new agreement ultimately is when the new agreement is negotiated and ratified and implemented there will likely be multiple lawsuits filed by disgruntled employees such as yourself claiming the agreement is illegal.

underpants
 
You guys are funny...

Let's recap. A jury has said you're wrong. The 9th didn't say that the jury got it wrong, just that the case was premature. The company's legal team seems to think there's another choice. On the other side there's your opinion and nothing else.

Jim
You are even funnier! The punch line was your reference to the jury that said you're wrong. That is the jury in the remanded trial, and the one with the clean slate. Just because you didn't read it doesn t mean we didn't..........
 
No, they are not really so interested in USAPA as the part they are really interested in. The part about how someone inside the company gave them sensitive information with regards to flight crews, and the one that really piques ones interest. That would be the fact the compromised data could have links to information regarding FFDO personnel, and their home addresses. That is the one that really gets peoples attention in law enforcement.
I ask again. What EVIDENCE do you have that it came from inside the company?

What evidence do you have that any FFDO information is in that data?

I guess you guys need to go to the FAA and every public information source on the internet and shut those down. You do know that with just a name you can get someone's address from the internet right. They is a public list floating around with everyone name on it. I believe the company calls it the Nicolau list. The only accepted list that the company acknowledges.
 
Golf,

Well yes obviously the new bargaining agent has the exclusive authority and legal right to renegotiate and change the agreements already negotiated and accepted by the previous bargaining agent and management. That's why it's called a "new" agreement.

And yes management does have an obligation by law to negotiate a new agreement with USAPA.

And yes we understand that regardless of what the new agreement ultimately is when the new agreement is negotiated and ratified and implemented there will likely be multiple lawsuits filed by disgruntled employees such as yourself claiming the agreement is illegal.

underpants
If USAPA has the “exclusive” right to change agreements, then why not march into Tempe and convert crew scheduling to DOH and then go over to the payroll department and give the east pilots top of the industry pay rates to make up for the many, many years east pilots have had to suffer the atrocities of working for US Airways? If you have the “exclusive” right to change previous agreements then go ahead and show us all how much power and authority USAPA really has. Or is USAPA an even bigger failure than all of us had presumed in that they have 'exclusive" power and yet haven’t accomplished a single improvement for the plight of their cherished constituents? Perhaps you would like to rephrase your assertion that the new agent has the "exclusive" rights to change anything they please. Perhaps USAPA has underestimated the power and rights Management has, even if its not "exclusive".
 
This "exclusive" thing is pretty cool. Does $eham have the "exclusive" right to reach into every pilot's pocket and take as much as he likes? Hopefully, for his sake, he is stockpiling most of that pickpocket money for when the obese sow runs out of milk.
 
If USAPA has the “exclusive” right to change agreements, then why not march into Tempe and convert crew scheduling to DOH and then go over to the payroll department and give the east pilots top of the industry pay rates to make up for the many, many years east pilots have had to suffer the atrocities of working for US Airways? If you have the “exclusive” right to change previous agreements then go ahead and show us all how much power and authority USAPA really has. Or is USAPA an even bigger failure than all of us had presumed in that they have 'exclusive" power and yet haven’t accomplished a single improvement for the plight of their cherished constituents? Perhaps you would like to rephrase your assertion that the new agent has the "exclusive" rights to change anything they please. Perhaps USAPA has underestimated the power and rights Management has, even if its not "exclusive".
Golf,

You seem to be trying to write a reply but it is incoherent and not making any sense.

underpants
 
That is the jury in the remanded trial, and the one with the clean slate.

The jury trial was remanded for being not ripe only - no other reason. I asked Barrister to point to a quote attribited to the 9th and have gotten nothing but silence. So here's your chance to be a star - where did the 9th say anything about a "clean slate"?

As of this date, there have been exactly two decisions issued in the Addington case (aka DFR1) - the jury in Wake's court and the 9th. I'll give you both to use in finding "clean slate".

Jim
 
Golf,

You seem to be trying to write a reply but it is incoherent and not making any sense.

underpants
And you seem to be out of cogent arguments or witty retorts, so we can leave it at that. Perhaps $eham will explain the coherence of my statements if you are willing to hire him to read simple English sentences for you.
 
You guys seem to be saying that out of all the people with the same name as the multitude of East pilots, Leonidas managed to pick out the exact match of name and address using the internet? I don't even want to imagine how long that may have taken...Or did they send it to every individual in the U.S. with the same name as an East pilot hoping that it would get to the ones they were trying to reach.
 
You guys seem to be saying that out of all the people with the same name as the multitude of East pilots, Leonidas managed to pick out the exact match of name and address using the internet? I don't even want to imagine how long that may have taken...Or did they send it to every individual in the U.S. with the same name as an East pilot hoping that it would get to the ones they were trying to reach.
Why worry. The TSA is all over it right.
 
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