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[Waketurbulence]

1) In other words = As noted; You've not not the slightest, actually logical defense to offer for nic? What an utter surprise!

I don't have to defend Nic, I just have to support the fight to make sure it is honored.

 

[hp_fa]

How about the Al Hemenway deposition where he made some dramatically different statements than was given at the crew news' by Doug or Kirby.

Any specifics?

 

[Waketurbulence]

Any specifics?

No direct specifics until the transcripts are available in a week or so. However, sources close the the dep say (to quote) " we can characterize the overall substance of Mr. Hemenway’s deposition as being dramatically different than what we have heard from Doug, Al, and Ed at the Crews News sessions in the East."

To be fair, it is very "speculitive" at this point.

 

[Elevation]

Waiting for the transcripts to verify what he said vs. the rumor on what he said.

 

[hp_fa]

If a link becomes available for the transcript at some point I would love to read it.

BTW, hp_fa will be heading for a Hawaiian cruise vacation and will be gone for a bit. I will be back a couple of weeks before trial so don't miss me too much.

 

[cleardirect]

Any specifics?

This is the schedule from the pre trail order. Pretty aggressive. Both sides are working hard.

USAPA might be wasting their time a bit. Instead of concentrating on the trial at hand.
EMERGENCY MOTION FOR STAY PENDING APPEAL

Filed with the ninth last week. The judge already denied the request. Has to do with the class certification.

5. The parties shall exchange drafts of the Proposed Final Pretrial Orders, including disclosures of all witnesses and exhibits, no later than April 1, 2009. The Plaintiff(s) shall have the burden of initiating communications concerning the Proposed Final Pretrial Orders.
6. The parties shall (a) meet in person and exchange copies of all exhibits to be used at trial no later than April 1, 2009 for the Proposed Final Pretrial Orders (any exhibit not exchanged at this meeting shall be precluded at trial); and (B) eliminate any duplicate exhibits while meeting to exchange exhibits.
7. The parties shall file and serve all motions in limine no later than April 7, 2009. Responses to motions in limine shall be filed on or before April 14, 2009. No replies will be permitted. Each motion in limine shall include proposed language for the order in limine being sought from the Court, and the proposed language shall state with precision the evidence that is subject to the proposed order and the limitation or
exclusion placed on the evidence. Counsel shall be prepared to argue the merits of such
motions at the Final Pretrial Conference.
8. For any matters being tried in the April 28, 2009 jury trial, the parties shall complete the following tasks by April 16, 2009, unless another date is indicated:
(a) The parties shall file a stipulated description of the case to be read to the jury.
(B) The parties shall jointly file a proposed set of voir dire questions. The voir dire questions shall be drafted in a neutral manner. To the extent possible, the parties shall stipulate to the proposed questions. If the parties have any disagreement about a particular question, they shall state the reason for their objection below the question. The parties shall also provide, for the purposes of voir dire, a joint master list of the names of every witness who may be called at trial.
© The parties shall file proposed jury instructions in accordance with "Guidelines for Jury Instructions in Civil Cases" found at www.azd.uscourts.gov under Judges & Courtrooms/Orders, Forms and procedures/Judge Wake. The parties shall exchange proposed jury instructions with each other by April 8, 2009.
(d) Each party shall file a proposed form of verdict, including any proposed special verdict forms or juror interrogatories.
(e) The joint statement of the case, proposed voir dire questions, proposed jury instructions, and forms of verdict shall be submitted in WordPerfect® 9.0 or higher (or compatible) format by email to
9. For any matters to be tried to the Court regarding injunctive relief, each party shall lodge proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law as a separate pleading by April 24, 2009. The proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law shall also be submitted in WordPerfect® 9.0 or higher (or compatible) format by email to
10. The parties shall be prepared to advise the Court at the Final Pretrial Conference of the status of settlement discussions. Should settlement be reached at any time, the parties promptly shall file a Notice of Settlement with the Clerk of the Court.
11. Counsel shall review Judge Wake's statement of Trial Conduct and Decorum before the Final Pretrial Conference. A copy can be found on the Court's website at www.azd.uscourts.gov under Judges & Courtrooms/Orders, Forms and Procedures/Judge Wake.
12. Full and complete compliance with this Order shall be required by the Court.
IT IS ORDERED setting trial to a jury on April 28, 2009, and trial to the bench as
necessary regarding injunctive relief as soon as the jury retires to deliberate. Estimated
length of jury trial: 10 days.
DATED this 13th day of March, 2009.

 

[ussnark]

What's illogical is furloughing a block holding West Captain before a Reserve East First Officer.

What's illogical is furloughing most of the West pilots before the bottom East pilot.

Until there is one list, that is a very logical outcome. Until two, separately ratified merger contracts are completed, it is as if there are two separate companies as far as the pilots are concerned. I wonder if a judge would be hard pressed to overturn a negotiated contract and unilaterally impose the "nic" just to save more west jobs.

IANAL but it seems there are three legs to support this stool, just one or even two will not comply with anything.

 

[hp_fa]

"IT IS ORDERED setting trial to a jury on April 28, 2009, and trial to the bench as necessary regarding injunctive relief as soon as the jury retires to deliberate. estimated length of jury trial: 10 days."

I said a long time ago that a ruling by the judge on issues was possible...

 

[Elevation]

If a link becomes available for the transcript at some point I would love to read it.

BTW, hp_fa will be heading for a Hawaiian cruise vacation and will be gone for a bit. I will be back a couple of weeks before trial so don't miss me too much.

You know you're a big deal when you refer to yourself in the 3rd person . Enjoy the cruise

 

[hp_fa]

Mahalo! I laughed aloud at your response.

 

[Pacemaker]

The "lie" is that any airline can merge with USAir and survive with it's route-structure intact once infected with "cool northern efficiency". PSA, Piedmont, now America West. The first merged and "poof" was all gone; the second saw a substantial part of it's network dismantled leaving only CLT, the third has already given up LAS and PHX is shrinking. What do all three airlines have in common? Take a guess.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Does this apply to Boeing Boy as well? Seems like he can spew insults anytime he wants.

Typical of those whose buds like to dish it out but can't take it being returned...

the whole nic fantasy...momentarily fantasized...entirely absurd...not the slightest actual defense...how insane...nic nonsense...the truest forms of complete lunatics....wholesale dysfunction...

Should I go back to the last thread before we take score on who's the champion "insult spewer"?

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

recent America West Pilot update;;

""Just before we were granted class certification an effort was made to drum up additional support from the West pilots. This was in order to prove to the judge that the West was undeniably behind our effort, and that the plaintiff's were support by a broad cross-section of our population. The response was amazing, as we went from approximately 750 West pilot contributors, to over 1250. But, there was an unintended consequence: This impressive increase of 67% was accompanied by a drop in the average contribution by over 20 percent! Sending $1.00 to Leonidas, LLC so you can “check that boxâ€￾ and claim that you have contributed and are part of the team is simply inadequate- in fact, you should be ashamed. If that is the limit of your support, then we would have preferred that you kept your dollar, because frankly that is an offensive insult. ""

 

[traderjake]

In contrast to USAPA who has to threaten termination to get money.

 

[nostradamus]

So, the ranks of the america west pilots soared by 500 contributing a dollar each, convinced a judge of their undying support.










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