Weather in Tulsa

[topDawg]

I know its that time of the year and it sounds like its been an ugly day already. Just wanted to wish all the AA guys and gals a safe season. Stay safe yall.

 

[jimntx]

I lived in Houston for 30 years, and I would much rather go through a hurricane than a tornado.  Tornadoes are way too unpredictable for my tastes.  I remember when I was growing up in Birmingham, a tornado touched down in the Ensley section of town.  Every house for a space over two blocks long and two blocks wide was destroyed--with the exception of one house (wood frame like all the ones destroyed) right in the middle of the destruction that didn't even have any loose shingles!!!
 
News reports this morning say Moore, OK that was hit hard by a tornado just a couple of years ago, was hit hard again, but no deaths or major injuries, thank goodness.

 

[Kev3188]

I grew up in the PacNW; I'll take the threat of earthquakes/tsunamis/and volcanic eruptions anytime...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'd like to see actual data but I can't help but wonder if deforestation and development of what were formerly forested areas of the American Midwest might be a factor in the amount of violent weather in OK and the number of icing events in N. Texas.

 

[BigMac]

Tornado hit Sand Springs. Approximately 15 miles ESE of Tulsa. It was only a F0-F1 but so far 1 casualty, a couple critical and some banged up. No AC damaged at this time that I'm aware of. And Yes, the tornado did hit Moore again. 36,000+ without electricity. I've been trying to contact my AA friends this morning. So far all I called are OK. Some have lost their homes completely.

 

[BigMac]

http://m.tulsaworld.com/photovideo/slideshows/photo-gallery-view-storm-and-damage-photos-from-wednesday-thursday/collection_0f5d4a0f-4f64-5891-9e1e-e0cb91ccc494.html?mode=jqm

 

[Buck]

I'd like to see actual data but I can't help but wonder if deforestation and development of what were formerly forested areas of the American Midwest might be a factor in the amount of violent weather in OK and the number of icing events in N. Texas.

Maybe, but as I have been in around Oklahoma for all of my life and there have been tornadoes and icing in N. Texas my entire life, I seriously doubt your wonderment..

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I have been in 3 but the worst thing that ever happened was the wind blowing our car off the driveway and into the grass.
 
What troubles me is the destruction to mobile homes. You would think being in Oklahoma the government would step in and require the manufactures to make them more resistant to wind damage. I am not implying they can make them tornado "proof" but seeing the widespread destruction to the trailer parks it seems they could do better than they do.
 
Maybe it is the economics of it. The people that live in the trailer parks tend to be lower income. Maybe making them more "storm resistant" is not economically viable for the customer base.
 
I rather them be able to afford a less safe home than no home at all.

 

[Kev3188]

I thought you were a less-government-is-better kind of guy?

 

[WorldTraveler]

The minimal role the government should play is to ensure the safety of its residents esp. since their injury hurts the economy and leaves the rest of the population to care for them.

It is an irony that mobile homes are so prevalent in some of very locations where they can so easily be destroyed

 

[Buck]

The minimal role the government should play is to ensure the safety of its residents esp. since their injury hurts the economy and leaves the rest of the population to care for them.

It is an irony that mobile homes are so prevalent in some of very locations where they can so easily be destroyed

Now I am starting to understand you....

 

[WorldTraveler]

not sure what part you are referring to but building codes esp. of homes exist because a civilized society does have a responsibility to ensure that people don't live in structures which can kill the people inside.

For the same reason, there are locations in the world - if not the US - where helmets are mandatory for motorcycle riders, even though the person who will be hurt is the one who makes the decision about whether to use a helmet or not.


we can go on the side tangent if you want but building codes do exist based on weather threats; at the same time, there is a place in society for those to knowingly "opt out" of certain regulations knowing that there are personal negative effects and which should also eliminate society's responsibility to care for that individual should those consequences take place. IN most cases, though, the second part doesn't happen.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I thought you were a less-government-is-better kind of guy?

I am also a "don't want people to die in a tornado" kind of guy.

 

[Bob Owens]

The minimal role the government should play is to ensure the safety of its residents esp. since their injury hurts the economy and leaves the rest of the population to care for them.

It is an irony that mobile homes are so prevalent in some of very locations where they can so easily be destroyed

Really? Not ironic at all, the economic policies you support make this inevitable.
 
 Good to see that at least you feel that when people are harmed that society has an obligation towards their fellow man. I guess that makes you a closet Socialist, so deep in the closet that you don't even realize it.  A true Capitalist would say those people are the victims of their own actions, they chose to live there, chose to reside in an inferior structure in an area known for such storms and its Gods will, or natural selection, at work when they are harmed, as far as the impact on the economy once again the invisable hand is at work here, "life isn't fair", culling the bottom rung of Society will leave the rest of society more healthy right? (In one post these people in inexpensive housing are irresponsible moochers buying $600 cell phones complaining they have no money, but now  we make ourselves feel good by saying those people should be helped, thats after supporting policies that put them in place to get harmed. So we help them by putting them in another inferior structure? ). The responsibility of the Capitalist is to see how they can Capitalize on this by either repossessing their land or offering them pennies on the dollar on whatever valuables they have to pay their medical bills or funeral expenses. They don't have to feel bad about this or any other exploitation because as Capitalists there is no moral code other than maximizing shareholder value. In fact they are obligated to put shareholder value above all other motives. 
 
So which path do we follow, "Do unto others" or "I got mine"? 

 

[Bob Owens]

Maybe, but as I have been in around Oklahoma for all of my life and there have been tornadoes and icing in N. Texas my entire life, I seriously doubt your wonderment..

You would have to be pretty old to have seen the environmental changes he is talking about. They occurred before we were born.