Will Oneworld lose JAL?

[AANOTOK]

Link on JAL/AA

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...jal-will-s.html

 

[BoeingBoy]

A lot will depend on what JAL looks like when they exit BK. At one time the Japanese gov't was talking about stripping JAL of it's long haul international routes (and presumably corresponding slots at NRT) and giving them to ANA. Who knows if that will still happen, but if it does someone (AA) will have step up to fill that void or have another hub for intra-Asia connections. Hong Kong would be the next logical choice based on the One World route map, but I don't know if there's room for expansion.

Jim

 

[damajagua]

Link on JAL/AA

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...jal-will-s.html

This whole thing is a joke......JAL will probably makes it mind somtime in the year 3000.

 

[MAH4546]

This whole thing is a joke......JAL will probably makes it mind somtime in the year 3000.

You spoke too soon:

http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201002/001458.html

 

[FA Mikey]

you can be sure that if JAL chooses AMR, DAL and UAL ANA, will try to kill it off, and it just may work. JAL/DAL combo would pprobably be too strong to kill, but JAL AMR combo is still as weak as it was before.

Will this be be the same UAL that allowed AA to build a hub at ORD right under their nose? The same UAL that cut and ran from South America almost every where where they competed against AA? The same UAL that cut and ran from NY LHR and NRT? Is this the giant killer AA must fear?

 

[goodgirl37]

Will this be be the same UAL that allowed AA to build a hub at ORD right under their nose? The same UAL that cut and ran from South America almost every where where they competed against AA? The same UAL that cut and ran from NY LHR and NRT? Is this the giant killer AA must fear?

Yes diva, we just handed everything to a silver platter to aa didn't we? We transferred nrt slot to d.c. sod. Dal the London slot to be operated at lgw. Ual didn't abandon ord, they still have the largest operation there. You pick your strongholds , kind of like aa is not the biggest or best in ny, ord, west coast, asia, middle east, Australia, market. Not to mention the mountain and d.c. areas. Dallas and Miami and s.a. yeah u have it covered, but so does Dal and cal, your in a different ball game buddy, the previous point was, aa/jal isn't going to be some big bad alliance, it will be worse off than before. how are your replacements coming along?

 

[MERV]

My point being that Oneworld has very strong partners and I dont see this being a weak alliance. With the tie up with AA/BA/IB and now keeping JAL this should be the foundation for some serious growth. AA is talking about taking delivery 0f 100 787-9. Some A/C for replacement and some for growth. Looks like some good news for AA...

I am not talking about OW but partnership JAL and AA. In the asian market because thats where AA has very little presences. With UAL, CAL and ANA looking for ATI from the US market they will have the biggest advantage and that doesn't include from/out Japan to asia. Than you've one of the biggest airlines world who just lost guess what they'll make JAL pay out/from japan. They don't need a feed from/out asia they have their own. On subject B787-900 they're commitments not confirm order as yet. They deicide on it when agreement between management and pilots on compensation. Look it up Boeing web you'll see order is not confirm on delivery schedule. Their slot is for 2013 three year from now Boeing will hold it as long as they can for a prefer customer. OW is pretty strong with the airlines they have. Growth should come from AA itself not depend on others because than lose that market if that partner fails or leaves. Unless JAL come out intact that would be good news. Right now BA/IB attention is more on their merger than US/EU ATI with AA.

 

[Maark767]

I am not talking about OW but partnership JAL and AA. In the asian market because thats where AA has very little presences. With UAL, CAL and ANA looking for ATI from the US market they will have the biggest advantage and that doesn't include from/out Japan to asia. Than you've one of the biggest airlines world who just lost guess what they'll make JAL pay out/from japan. They don't need a feed from/out asia they have their own. On subject B787-900 they're commitments not confirm order as yet. They deicide on it when agreement between management and pilots on compensation. Look it up Boeing web you'll see order is not confirm on delivery schedule. Their slot is for 2013 three year from now Boeing will hold it as long as they can for a prefer customer. OW is pretty strong with the airlines they have. Growth should come from AA itself not depend on others because than lose that market if that partner fails or leaves. Unless JAL come out intact that would be good news. Right now BA/IB attention is more on their merger than US/EU ATI with AA.

Yes the growth will come from AA and because of getting approval of ATI , this will fuel the growth. We are already starting JFK-MAD this spring.
The 787-9s are coming regardless of the pilot's compensation. We need the airplanes to compete and grow. This company loves to dangle carrots when ever possible.

 

[FWAAA]

The 787-9s are coming regardless of the pilot's compensation. We need the airplanes to compete and grow. This company loves to dangle carrots when ever possible.

Having lost 34 widebody planes in the past 18 months, it's a given that the pilots and AA will reach agreement on a new contract that will cause AA to confirm the 787s.

 

[eolesen]

So let's recap...

1) JAL stuck with AMR
2) AMR didn't have to give JAL any money
3) TPG also didn't have to give JAL any money

What a non-event this has turned out to be.

Can't wait for certain people to start ranting about how the $1B earmarked for JAL should now be available to give raises to the employees....

 

[MERV]

If pilot haven't sign or agree to anything it will be a while. Don't those A/C are to replace the aging widebodies. unless AA deicides to start flying many other cities than what they flying they'll have a smaller fleet to control their cost and capacity for price to go up. That why AA needs OW to work it will lower their cost and fleet will be smaller but they still need grow in those areas that only get serviced by their partner because if not they'll alway need a partnership in those areas. Sometime money get from those connecting pax make a difference on their operating cost on those flt. JAL will now depend AA customer to offset asian flt cost and if they lose US routes they'll also depend on AA for US market. They'll need each if one fails both them lose out on their markets.

 

[eolesen]

I'm sure those of you who think management is nothing but a bunch of frackups won't ever admit this, but it would appear that in the end, Arpey and team pulled off a victory here. Most people had written off as a done deal for JAL to go to Skyteam, one in particular as early as last September and October when the dealing first started....

What's Gerry gonna' do now? The NW management at DL is playing hardball and Gerry doesn't have a clue what to do, other than retreat.

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Gerry is done.The Northwest people running Delta now are well versed in bare knuckle airline fighting and unfortunately Arpey and his "Whiz Kids" aren't.

Kiss JAL goodbye.

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JAL is as good as gone.Arpey and the 'Gee Whiz' MBA kids are trying to figure out how to "Retreat with dignity" from this latest debacle.


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Yep, JAL is gone.Good Job Gerry!

JFK, would you like some ketchup or Tabasco to go with your crow?...

 

[FWAAA]

Can't wait for certain people to start ranting about how the $1B earmarked for JAL should now be available to give raises to the employees....

That's $1.4 bilion, you management AApologist company man.

 

[Hopeful]

I doubt that AA is committed to more than a couple hundred million dollars of the total proposed investment, with TPG providing the rest. I agree with you about TPG; getting cozy with TPG may not be the best thing for Arpey and Co.

Wow, I guess it wasn't AA's $1.4B after all.
Now you say Arpey did a masterful job with the JAL outcome, but AA was only in for a couple hundred mil.
You're a beaut...First you say it was mostly TPG money because we said, if AA had that kind of cash for JAL, then they had something for employees.

Now that AA has to invest NOTHING, you're putting Arpey on a pedestal claiming he didn't have to spend $1.4b..Make up your mind.

Gotta love the spin doctors.

 

[Maark767]

So let's recap...

1) JAL stuck with AMR
2) AMR didn't have to give JAL any money
3) TPG also didn't have to give JAL any money

What a non-event this has turned out to be.

Can't wait for certain people to start ranting about how the $1B earmarked for JAL should now be available to give raises to the employees....

Lets recap..
1) No raises...
2) People don't spend...
3) Companies cut back..
4) Layoffs....
5) Economy shrinks...
Not good for anyone....