$20 million for seat upgrade

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Bob, attitudes like yours make me seriously question whether or not it's wise to consider spending slightly more than your pre-concession salary on travel with AA during 2007 (and that's just my individual travel budget).

You can put me in the attitude category also. Maybe that will sway your decision 😀

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, attitudes like yours make me seriously question whether or not it's wise to consider spending slightly more than your pre-concession salary on travel with AA during 2007 (and that's just my individual travel budget).

Thats not an attitude, its a fact. Workers sell their labor to a company, the airline sells the product of that labor to the passenger.

 

[Bob Owens]

Which one? NWA maybe, they were hiring off the street last year. But now you have to wait for them to go through their new recal list. Not that anyone with half a brain would want to work for them anyway. UAL, with a recal list longer than ours. US Airways, yeah right. DAL, I heard on another thread that they might be recalling some guys but that does'nt mean much for someone looking for a job. SWA, better know someone on the inside. UPS, same thing. Good luck.

If AA were to suddenly close their doors tomorrow all the carriers would then be hiring, as they would expand to fill in the huge gap left by AA.

Right now there is a lot of talk about consolidation, well more than likely I think we will finally see some consolidation. Consolidation may lead to more layoffs in the short term but it may help to avert the next crisis(other than aging aircraft), manpower, or so those running the show probably believe.

Over the next few years industry will start to have a harder time finding qualified people. Over at NWA over 78% of their mechanics opted not to be put on recall, they have no intentions on coming back, and across the industry qualified people are still voluntarily leaving at an unprecidented pace. I believe the figures stunned the suits. If they dont consolidate they will run out of manpower.

Without consolidation, and the efficiency it brings, the industry would face a manpower crisis. Attrition rates and the fact that most who were laid off will not return will create a crisis. Those running this industry hope that they have effectively reduced the expectations of those that remain and that they will soon return to producing like they once were. THey are also hoping that the next wave of new hires will accept these rates as normal. What they did not apparently count on was that their best producers are the ones that are leaving, those that remain never will produce as much. Recenty a FSC Crew Cheif was overheard commenting about how due to the huge turnover in JFK they keep hiring people but whjen, and if, they show up, they just stand around like they are in a fog and dont do anything. Sure they get people to show up, getting them to do anything is another story.

Once the new hires come in and see what the job requires of them and are informed of what the jobs should pay their expectations will rise accordingly. Without the many years invested and less to lose they will be more militant and prone to engaging in disruptive activities- which include doing nothing.

The fact is that as the airlines become leaner and more consolidated, workers are put in a better position to more effectively disrupt economic activity (which is the only way they can really be heard)and gain back what was stolen from them.

 

[eolesen]

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

The lost ones come back as soon as the price is right

 

[eolesen]

Maybe with leisure travelers, but not as true with business travelers.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

The business class is no longer paying the exuberent fares of the 90s. So who cares.
😀

And that fact comes from the bean counters charts and graphs

 

[Bob Owens]

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Wouldnt the same thing apply to employees? Once lost they are hard to replace, and I've seen several of them leave.

http://www.despair.com/sacrifice1.html

Their share is they have to cut it out.


Why does it not suprise me that you would introduce a link to a site that says "Increasing success by lowering expectations". Thats been the theme of the airlines for the last several years.

The closer to satire is to reality the funnier it is.

The one on handling employee complaints should be on every union website.

 

[Ed Norton]

Give me a break with your business school jingoism. Tell me, does that shite really work?
Chalk me up on the bad attitude side. Screw the custommer!
Why should we subsidise their vacations?
Next time you buy a car tell the dealer you want to pay half the sticker price, and tell them they can pick up the difference.

 

[ClueByFour]

The business class is no longer paying the exuberent fares of the 90s. So who cares.
😀

And that fact comes from the bean counters charts and graphs

Depends upon your definition of "exuberant." 3 grand on up (mostly up) for NYC-LHR and back, for instance, is not inexpensive.

 

[eolesen]

My last trip to France (from a point west of DFW) priced out at over $9500 with taxes and fees, and that was flying part of the way in coach (J all the way was well over $10,000)

And what did I get for that? Four late flights (out of five total, all for "company arrival control"), a crappy seat on a 763 which forced me to sleep bent at the waist and knees, the absolute worst meal I've ever had on an AA flight (so bad I gave it back to the FA after three bites), and the pleasure of having my "premium" bag being tenth from the last to be delivered at DFW.

But at least none of my seats were broken, and my bags actually arrived with me, right?...

Talk about "increasing success by lowering expectations"...

This is why people love Jetblue and WN so much. They might promise less, but they deliver what they promise consistently.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ----Well! It seems aa will be putting their new "Business Class' seats in the 767-200's also! And, rummor has it, maybe even the 75's!----- These are nice seats, but I do have my concerns if they will hold up with use?