5TH week vacation coming back?

[Kev3188]

And when it all comes down to lay-offs,consistant application of policy & procedure, experiential examples, and real world financial, it all means nothing, which has been proven, time and time again!

Maybe to a guy that has blood on his hands like you it means nothing. To the rest of the world where representation has absolutely meant something, it's a different story.

How's that OT working out for ya?

How many airlines have avoided lay-offs, simply because they had representation?

Who ever made the claim that they had?

What representation does provide in a RIF is a clear, enforceable policy to be followed- not the free-for-all that ACS has now.

Yep the IAM got taken to the cleaners at HA, NW, UA, US, etc. They left with their tail between their legs. And we have people on this forum like 700 who come trotting along saying what a great privilege and honor it was to serve on a bankruptcy negotiating committee that never reached a consensual agreement, and later goes around justifying the concessions. That's what unions are for.

Unions can "railroad" employees and inconsistently represent employees, use double standards or cast grievances and arbitration in a different light if the subject is not liked by the powers to be. Unions are nothing more than political organizations that are a boon for the people running them and politicians their PACs support.

Josh

You really need to stop conflating poor leadership with unions in general...

 

[southwind]

Maybe to a guy that has blood on his hands like you it means nothing. To the rest of the world where representation has absolutely meant something, it's a different story.

How's that OT working out for ya?

And just who's blood is on my hands ? Never crossed a picket line here, so I owe "NO" apologies, to anyone, thank you very much !

Like I said, you'll get another chance for union representation..............sorry the majority of your co-workers, didn't see unions as "the everlasting glory" ,, that you do ! Who knows.............with a little more propaganda..............

 

[Kev3188]

Nobody said anything about a picket line.

YOU said that you were making all kinds of OT at the same time there was a leveling going on in your station. You may not have crossed a picket line, but you sure as hell undercut your coworkers. I know, I know: you needed to pay for that shiny new truck, maybe a bass boat, tickets to an ARS reunion show, whatever....

If representation has no value, then why do companies spend millions to keep them out?

P.S. Speaking of propaganda, can you do me a favor? Can you walk over to the GO, and use your "direct relationship" to tell them that all this talk of "branding" is a bit much? Kthx.

 

[T5towbar]

Let me get back to the original question that I asked. I also wanted to know do you guys have the option to buy/sell an extra week. I have that option to buy an extra week at 2% of gross (payroll deducted). Some people sell a week and get a lump sum equal to a weekly check.

So say you have 4 accrued weeks, can you defer your five holidays (except New Years) and buy a week for a combo of two extra weeks? According to our TA we will lose that option, but keep the choice of either defer or buy an extra week. (Works for me because we will go to the sUA vacation schedule which adds an extra week, and people will get a second week much faster - 2 weeks for one completed year instead of 2 weeks for five competed years.)

 

[Kev3188]

The answer is kinda. You don't have to "buy" it, though.

We get 10 holidays/year.

New Year’s Day (H1)
Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (H11)
Presidents’ Day (H2)
Good Friday (H3)
Memorial Day (H5)
Independence Day (H6)
Labor Day (H6)
Thanksgiving Day (H7)
Friday after Thanksgiving (H8)
Christmas Day (H9)

For each of these you get a paid day off that you can move anywhere else (this what was noted several pages ago.).

For the ones that are NOT bolded, you can either work & get paid double time, or work at straight time and move the day to wherever.

You can also use the holiday on the actual day itself for that matter.

If you wanted an paid week off, you could (in theory), float any 5 of those holidays into a string of 5 consecutive days off.

Make sense?

 

[T5towbar]

The answer is kinda. You don't have to "buy" it, though.

We get 10 holidays/year.

New Year’s Day (H1)
Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (H11)
Presidents’ Day (H2)
Good Friday (H3)
Memorial Day (H5)
Independence Day (H6)
Labor Day (H6)
Thanksgiving Day (H7)
Friday after Thanksgiving (H8)
Christmas Day (H9)

For each of these you get a paid day off that you can move anywhere else (this what was noted several pages ago.).

For the ones that are NOT bolded, you can either work & get paid double time, or work at straight time and move the day to wherever.

You can also use the holiday on the actual day itself for that matter.

If you wanted an paid week off, you could (in theory), float any 5 of those holidays into a string of 5 consecutive days off.

Make sense?

Yes.

 

[Dalmd88#2]

You can kind of sell a week also. Unused PPT can be cashed out once a year. You can't do that with holidays or vacation days. Those are use or lose each year. You can roll over H9 into the next Jan though.

 

[Kev3188]

I never understood why people would cash in instead of taking the time off (or trying to, anyway). I can't roll mine into my Certified Time Bank, so I figure I'll just burn it...

P.S. Any idea why there's no H10? I'm assuming a holiday was taken away/lost/changed?

P.P.S. Can you (or any PMDL'er) explain the logic behind a vacation year that runs from Apr.-Mar.?

 

[face]

"I never understood why people would cash in instead of taking the time off (or trying to, anyway). I can't roll mine into my Certified Time Bank, so I figure I'll just burn it... "

i can only speak for myself - i have five weeks of vacation, ten holidays and can have up to two or three weeks ( i can't remember which) of PPT to use before i have to roll over into my cerified time at year end. so without sounding smug, i will cash out before i let un-used PPT roll into certifed time. a waste of time off in my mind. with weekends off in addition to the time off i mentioned above i have enough time off. so cash out for me. if i could roll over forever i would do so.

"P.S. Any idea why there's no H10? I'm assuming a holiday was taken away/lost/changed?"

we used to have 11 holidays off. they took one back and didn't reset the numbers one through ten. MLK was the one that put us to 11 holidays. they took back the one that was H-10 also called personal. so there you have it.

"P.P.S. Can you (or any PMDL'er) explain the logic behind a vacation year that runs from Apr.-Mar.?"

my hire date is my vacation year. i thought everyone was that same. we used to bid shifts in april to march 31 year. for us that has changed to a january year.

 

[Kev3188]

i can only speak for myself - i have five weeks of vacation, ten holidays and can have up to two or three weeks ( i can't remember which) of PPT to use before i have to roll over into my cerified time at year end. so without sounding smug, i will cash out before i let un-used PPT roll into certifed time. a waste of time off in my mind. with weekends off in addition to the time off i mentioned above i have enough time off. so cash out for me. if i could roll over forever i would do so.

Not smug at all. You value $$$, I value time away from the place. Different strokes. You can bank up to 3 years worth now, BTW.

The Certified Time Bank set up is criminal, IMO- all the more so given how it is handled for PMNW people. That's a rant for another day...

"P.S. Any idea why there's no H10? I'm assuming a holiday was taken away/lost/changed?"

we used to have 11 holidays off. they took one back and didn't reset the numbers one through ten. MLK was the one that put us to 11 holidays. they took back the one that was H-10 also called personal. so there you have it.

Cool. Thanks.

"P.P.S. Can you (or any PMDL'er) explain the logic behind a vacation year that runs from Apr.-Mar.?"

my hire date is my vacation year. i thought everyone was that same. we used to bid shifts in april to march 31 year. for us that has changed to a january year.

Not sure what dept. you're in, but all of ACS's vacation year runs Apr.-Mar., regardless of hire date. Holiday usage follows the calendar year. Shift bids are quarterly-ish... at least in my station and a few others I know of, anyway...

 

[face]

"Not sure what dept. you're in, but all of ACS's vacation year runs Apr.-Mar., regardless of hire date. Holiday usage follows the calendar year. Shift bids are quarterly-ish... at least in my station and a few others I know of, anyway..."

i am line maintenance and we bid once a year. the ACS people at my station bid twice a year last i heard.

 

[southwind]

Nobody said anything about a picket line.

YOU said that you were making all kinds of OT at the same time there was a leveling going on in your station. You may not have crossed a picket line, but you sure as hell undercut your coworkers. I know, I know: you needed to pay for that shiny new truck, maybe a bass boat, tickets to an ARS reunion show, whatever....

If representation has no value, then why do companies spend millions to keep them out?

P.S. Speaking of propaganda, can you do me a favor? Can you walk over to the GO, and use your "direct relationship" to tell them that all this talk of "branding" is a bit much? Kthx.

Again, it seems you like to put words in other peoples mouth but luckily, I really don't care what others say or think of me. But never, not once did I say I was working OT, while others were being laid off or that I enjoyed working OT while others got walked out the door....................you seem to paint pictures that fit your agenda !

Never said representation offers "NO" value...............they just offer "Little" value and just why do the Unions spend millions trying to get their hands in your pockets? Ooppss.................think I answered my own question there !

Seems someone has problems with a company promoting itself !

 

[WorldTraveler]

The logic behind the vacation year running from Apr to March is so that the year doesn't end at the end of the calendar year when there are holidays and heavy operational staffing demands. For the same reason, the vac year doesn't end in the summer.

 

[Kev3188]

Again, it seems you like to put words in other peoples mouth but luckily, I really don't care what others say or think of me. But never, not once did I say I was working OT, while others were being laid off or that I enjoyed working OT while others got walked out the door....................you seem to paint pictures that fit your agenda !

Nobody said anything about you "enjoying" anything. Again, you noted that you were working plenty of OT at *the same time* there was a leveling going on in your city.

Never said representation offers "NO" value...............they just offer "Little" value...

Fine. If they offer "little" value, then why do companies spend millions to keep them out?

 

[Kev3188]

The logic behind the vacation year running from Apr to March is so that the year doesn't end at the end of the calendar year when there are holidays and heavy operational staffing demands. For the same reason, the vac year doesn't end in the summer.

That might make sense except that there is nothing stopping people from taking vacations at the end of the year (or summer) that can't be mitigated by having it follow the calendar year.