6 Muslin Imams remove from US Airways Flight

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FAKING IMAMS -- Pajamas Media Exclusive: Police Report, Passenger
Reveals That Flying Imams Were Up to No Good
PJM in SeattleDecember 1, 2006 5:58 PM
The Now Notorious Flying Imams Claim Their Only Crime Was "Flying
While Muslim," But Our Exclusive Reporting Reveals They Are Trying
to Sweep Their Real Motives Under Their Prayer Rugs

[Bloggers are invited to examine these documents and provide
theories for what happened. Please notify Pajamas Media. — Editors]

By Richard Miniter, PJM Washington Editor

The case of U.S. Airways flight 300 gets stranger by the minute.
When six traveling Muslim clerics were asked to deplane last week,
it looked like another civil rights controversy against post-9-11
airport security.

Now new information is emerging that suggests it was all a stunt
designed to weaken security….

Yesterday I spoke with a passenger on that flight, who asked that
she be only identified as "Pauline." A copy of airport police
report, which I also obtained, supports Pauline's account - and
includes shocking revelations of its own. In addition, U.S. Airways
spokeswoman Andrea Rader also confirmed much of what Pauline
revealed…..

The passenger, who asked that she only be identified as "Pauline,"
said she is afraid to give her full name or hometown. She is
spending the night at "another location" because she does not feel
safe at home. She credits reports that one imam is apparently linked
to Hamas. "It is scary because these men could be dangerous."

Pauline said she never wanted media attention. She wrote an email to
U.S. Airways and cc:ed her daughter, who unexpectedly emailed it to
her friends. As the letter took on an internet life of its own, it
made its way to the inbox of a retired CNN executive producer. Then,
to her dismay, the feeding frenzy began.

Pauline revealed to Pajamas Media that the six imams were doing
things far more suspicious than praying - an Arabic-speaking
passenger heard them repeatedly invoke "bin Laden," and "terrorism,"
a gate attendant told the captain that she did not want to fly with
them, and that bomb-sniffing dogs were brought aboard. Other Muslim
passengers were left undisturbed and later joined in a round of
applause for the U.S. Airways crew. "It wasn't that they were
Muslim. It was all of the suspicious things they did," Pauline said.

Here is her story, along with corroborating quotes from the U.S.
Airways spokeswoman Andrea Rader and the official report, another
Pajamas Media exclusive.

Sitting in Minneapolis-St. Paul's Airport Gate C9, she noticed one
of the imams immediately. "He was pacing nervously, talking in
Arabic," she said.

She quickly noticed the others. "They didn't look like holy men to
me. They looked like guys heading out of town for a Vikings game."

Pauline said she did not see or hear the imams pray at the gate (she
was at dinner in a nearby airport eatery), but heard about the pre-
flight prayers from other passengers hours later.

As the plane boarded, she said, no one refused to fly. The public
prayers and Arabic phone call did not trigger any alarms - so much
for the p.c. allegations that people were disturbed by Muslim
prayers.

But a note from a passenger about suspicious movements of the imams
got the crew's attention. A copy of the passenger's note appears in
the police report.

To Pauline everything seemed normal. Then the captain - in classic
laconic pilot-style - announced there had been a "mix up in our
paperwork" and that the flight would be delayed.

In reality, the air crew was waiting for the FBI and local police to
arrive.

Ninety minutes after the flight's scheduled 5:15 p.m. departure, the
captain announced yet another delay. Still, Pauline said, there was
no sense of alarm.

Still, it seemed like just another annoying development, typical
when flying the friendly skies.

The situation in cockpit was far more intense, according to a U.S.
Airways spokeswoman and police reports.

Contrary to press accounts that a single note from a passenger
triggered the imams' removal, Captain John Howard Wood was weighing
multiple factors - factors that have largely been ignored by the
press.

Another passenger, not the note writer, was an Arabic speaker
sitting near two of the imams in the plane's tail. That passenger
pulled a flight attendant aside, and in a whisper, translated what
the men were saying. They were invoking "bin Laden" and condemning
America for "killing Saddam," according to police reports.

Meanwhile an imam seated in first class asked for a seat-belt
extension, even though according to both an on-duty flight attendant
and another deadheading flight attendant, he looked too thin to need
one. Hours later, when the passengers were being evacuated, the seat-
belt extension was found on the floor near the imam's seat, police
reports confirm. The U.S. Airways spokeswoman Andrea Rader said she
did not dispute the report, but said the airline's internal
investigation cannot yet account for the seat-belt extension request
or its subsequent use.

A seat-belt extension can easily be used as a weapon, by wrapping
the open-end of the belt around your fist and swinging the heavy
metal buckle.

Still, it seemed like just another annoying development, typical
when flying the friendly skies. Days after the incident, the imam
would claim that the steward helped him attach the device. Pauline
said he is lying. Hours later, when the police was being evacuated,
the steward asked Pauline to hand him the seat-belt extension, which
the imam did not attach, but placed on the floor. "I know he is
lying," Pauline said, "I had it [seat belt extension] in my hand."

A passenger in the third row of first class, Pauline said, told a
member of the crew: "I don't have a good feeling about this guy,"
about the imam who wanted the seat-belt extension.

A married couple one row behind first-class, tried to strike up a
conversation with the imam seated near them. He refused to talk or
even look at the woman in the eye, according to Pauline. Instead, he
stood up and moved to join the other imams in the back of the plane.
Why would he leave the luxury end of the aircraft? Pauline wondered.
The account of the married couple does not appear in the police
report.

Finally, a gate attendant told the captain she thought the imams
were acting suspiciously, according to police reports.

So the captain apparently made his decision to delay the flight
based on many complaints, not one. And he consulted a federal air
marshal, a U.S. Airways ground security coordinator and the
airline's security office in Phoenix. All thought the imams were
acting suspiciously, Rader told me.

Other factors were also considered: All six imams had boarded
together, with the first-class passengers - even though only one of
them had a first-class ticket. Three had one-way tickets. Between
the six men, only one had checked a bag.

And, Pauline said, they spread out just like the 9-11 hijackers. Two
sat in first, two in the middle, and two back in the economy
section. Pauline's account is confirmed by the police report. The
airline spokeswoman added that some seemed to be sitting in seats
not assigned to them.

One thing that no one seemed to consider at the time, perhaps due to
lack of familiarity with Islamic practice, is that the men prayed
both at the gate and on the plane. Observant Muslims pray only once
at sundown, not twice.

"It was almost as if they were intentionally trying to get kicked
off the flight," Pauline said.

A lone plain clothes FBI agent boarded the plane and briefly spoke
to the imams. Later, uniformed police escorted them off.

Some press reports said the men were led off in handcuffs, which
Pauline disputes. "I saw them. They were not handcuffed."

Later, each imam was individually brought back on the aircraft to
reclaim his belongings. They were still not handcuffed. They may
have been handcuffed later.

At this point, the passengers became alarmed. "How do we know they
got all their stuff off?" Pauline heard one man ask.

While the imams were soon released, Pauline is fuming: "We are the
victims of these people. They need to be more sensitive to us. They
were totally insensitive to us and then accused us of being
insensitive to them. I mean, we were a lot more inconvenienced than
them."

The plane was delayed for some three and one-half hours.

Bomb-sniffing dogs were used to sweep the plane and every passenger
was re-screened, the airline spokeswoman confirmed. Another detail
omitted from press reports.

The reaction of the remaining passengers has also gone
unreported. "We applauded and cheered for the crew," she said.

"I think it was either a foiled attempt to take over the plane or it
was a publicity stunt to accuse us of being insensitive," Pauline
said. "It had to be to intimidate U.S. Airways to ease up on
security."

So far, U.S. Airways refuses to be intimidated, even though the feds
have launched an investigation. "We are absolutely backing this
crew," Rader said.

Tucked away in the police report is this little gem: one of the
imams had complained to a passenger that some nations did not follow
shariah law and his job in Bakersfield, Calif. was a cover
for "representing Muslims here in the U.S."

So what are the imams really up to? Something more than praying it
seems.
 
I do not disagree that thos Koran says what you cited. However, are you taking those verses oot of context? Do they have another historical meaning? Were they important to the times but not to the present?

(Ezekiel 9:4-6)

"But (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

. (Samuel 22:40-42)

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.(Mark 9:43)
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With the exception of Mark, all were of the OLD testament. The new testament was supposed to be the new convenant, but it has been a very long time since confirmation.

The Mark quote is about punishing YOURSELF for sin, all of the Koran material earlier was about punishing any non beleivers. I don't think you will find any quotes of Jesus that say anything close.

JMHO.
 
From the "Drudge Report"
FAKING IMAMS -- Pajamas Media Exclusive: Police Report, Passenger

<snip a bunch of bull>

PJ is a website looking for a sponser.

The cretins there have a real problem justifying their extremist behavoir. Whackjob hackers trying to raise money.

Extremist pigs.
 
I agree with the statement that was made that Muslims need to be more sensitive with Americans regarding situations like this. Considering the past I find this reasonable. I also agree that the majority of Muslims and Muslim organizations are not speaking out against terrorism towards Americans because they agree with the terrorists. Muslims and terrorists are taking advantage of the open hearts of Americans not wanting to offend anyone.
 
We all know that the Christian's Holy Bible has verses that say similar things!

None of the verses you mentioned called on Christians to behead non-Christians because they are non-Chistians. Why would you then propose "We all know that the Christian's Holy Bible has verses that say similar things." :angry:
 
This thread needs to be closed.

It has gone beyond rational thought into extremist hate speech.

There are some on this board who have more in commom with radical Islam than they will ever see in themselves.
 
I also agree that the majority of Muslims and Muslim organizations are not speaking out against terrorism towards Americans because they agree with the terrorists. Muslims and terrorists are taking advantage of the open hearts of Americans not wanting to offend anyone.
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:down: Over a billion Muslims. I have heard estimates that at least 1/4 are of the suicide bomber mentality and at least another 1/4 wouldn't actually strap on the bomb but would cheer them on. That is over 500 million idots we are dealing with and the other half of the Muslim equation is either too fearful of that half to speak out or silenly agrees with them. Only they can stop this from within and I see no indiacation that they are willing to do that!
 
... the other half of the Muslim equation is either too fearful of that half to speak out or silenly agrees with them. Only they can stop this from within and I see no indiacation that they are willing to do that!
A moderate Muslim cleric, interviewed on CNN, said that most of the silent half do not condemn the radicals because, though they disagree with the method, they agree with the goal of the terrorists.
 
What maddens me is the moral outrage against the very folks who were there and made the decisions and the lambasting they took before the facts were known. The benefit of the doubt was given to the so-called immans instead of the folks who were there to protect the traveling public.

Clue, LCC, Mikey and the rest are quick to jump on the ACLU bandwagon yet fail to acknowledge or take back their rantings when proven wrong. This country has a judicial system second to none to adjudicate the very "sins" they accused the LCC crew and other officials of committing against the "victims" but they fail to mention this.

Profiling is one of many successful methods used to indentify evil people. If that is offensive, so be it. If it's done illegally and proven, then our judicial system will take care of it. If it saves lives and puts evil people in jail, then by all means it should be done.

The above mentioned posters do not have moral superiority or enlightenment. What they have is an idealogical and foolish view of how things are supposed to be. Reality and what they see are two different things.

That flight crew did their job. Anyone who works in this industry with an ounce of common sense should be proud of them. Those that aren't don't get it.

pilot
 
Simply, profiling doesn't work. As you spend all your time looking at one to 2 stereotypes, a real terrorist will slip right by, outside of what you were looking for.

I take back nothing, because you have yet to prove anything wrong or to offer a superior alternative.
 
Simply, profiling doesn't work.
Everyone profiles every day. In airline travel, EL AL has proven that profiling does work. They profile based on your point of origin, departure, destination, payment method, travel history (or lack there-of), appearance, manner, and response to preliminary questions, as well as age, sex, and nationality. It is only the last three that are illegal here in the U.S.
 
Everyone profiles every day. In airline travel, EL AL has proven that profiling does work. They profile based on your point of origin, departure, destination, payment method, travel history (or lack there-of), appearance, manner, and response to preliminary questions, as well as age, sex, and nationality. It is only the last three that are illegal here in the U.S.
Screening works, profiling doesnt. That seems to be the key. SCREENING every person. Not profiling one type of person, faith look or gender.

It is the person to person questioning that has served an ElAl time and again. Not the simplistic black capes and top hat profiling. Its reading a persons response to a question and there body language.

A great example of how and why that is superior stated by Isaac Yeffet the former director of global security at El Al, there is technology that can determine in three to five seconds if a passport is fake or real. But a recent terrorist recruit who has a legitimate passport and identity but who is not on a watch list has a loophole. When a person comes to the border and presents their documents, believe me, through a few questions you can determine who is suspicious. This is how we at El Al were able to arrest a passenger on the ground at London's Heathrow Airport and Zurich airport, both of whom had explosives.
 
Screening works, profiling doesnt.
Semantics. Unfortunately, those rightfully against screening based only on race, creed, color, religion, etc, have redefined "profiling" to mean only looking at appearance, religion, etc.

Paying particular attention to anyone who pays for a one-way ticket with cash regardless of their race, creed, color, or religion is profiling.

Paying particular attention to anyone who is nervous or furtive when answering simple quiestions regardless of their race, creed, color, or religion is profiling.

profiling
Function: noun
: the act or process of extrapolating information about a person based on known traits or tendencies
; specifically : the act of suspecting or targeting a person on the basis of observed characteristics or behavior

pilot is correct - several posters were quick to blame the crew for over-reacting. It was stated that these 6 people were only praying, how dare anyone think that that was suspicious. The crew's actions had to be the worst form of prejudice.

Well, it turns out that multiple witnesses agree that these 6 weren't merely praying. They demonstrated variour behavior patterns that, combined, made their actions suspicious and "just praying" wasn't among those behavior patterns.

Yet, as pilot says, there has been no mea culpa from those who were so quick to portray the crew in the worst possible light.

Jim
 
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